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Old 05-26-09, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Part of it was that, since then, they have lost some of their best people. Rich Ceppos left to go to Autoweek (why, I don't know.....that apparantly was a company secret). Brock Yates, who is also gone (I think he just retired), was, IMO, a complete idiot behind the wheel, but, as a journalist, like Pat Bedard, wrote some good editorials up front....he added a lot to the magazine. Csaba Csede, another good automotive writer, got promoted to editor-in-chief, but, now, he's leaving, too.
I'm surprised you're not some editor in chief at some automotive press. Or am I missing something here?

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Old 05-26-09, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by GlobeCLK
I'm surprised you're not some editor in chief at some automotive press. Or am I missing something here?

If not, it's about time to start printing some MMarshall's Motor Mag. Sign me up.

Thanks, but, for a number of reasons, I never wanted to be part of the regular automotive press. It gives me a lot more time to work with people one-on-one.
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Old 05-26-09, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by GlobeCLK
I'm surprised you're not some editor in chief at some automotive press. Or am I missing something here?

If not, it's about time to start printing some MMarshall's Motor Mag. Sign me up.
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Thanks, but, for a number of reasons, I never wanted to be part of the regular automotive press. It gives me a lot more time to work with people one-on-one.
I'm with Ray here. Funny but when I was on my 40 day sabbatical, I read Mike's reviews on OTHER forums.
 
Old 05-26-09, 08:07 PM
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IMO that's a cop out. The idea that you have to trade driving for added miles per gallon is not true. I don't even understand what this "it's not meant to be" line means. Who dictates what "it's intended to be", some executive? As the consumer, I can't ask for both? A BMW 3-Series is every bit as compliant and comfortable as any car, but yet it still manages to offer the best dynamics in its class. I just think this is a false trade off, you can have the best of both worlds, in fact, you should at least try if you are going to post a Lexus logo on the vehicle.
Yes, because the 3 series is the most compliant car in the world. Afterall it is...

The most reliable car in the world
The most comfortable car in the world
Has the most features of any car in the world
Has the best interior of any car in the world
Has the best handling of any car in the world
The most comforable car in the world
The most spacious car in the world
The most powerful car in the world
The most economical car in the world
The most offroad capable car in the world
The most tow capable car in the world
The most utility capable car in the world
The best car for snow and bad weather
The quetest car in the world
Offers the best value for your money

I could go on, but I think you're missing the whole point here.
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Old 05-26-09, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Och
Yes, because the 3 series is the most compliant car in the world. Afterall it is...

The most reliable car in the world
The most comfortable car in the world
Has the most features of any car in the world
Has the best interior of any car in the world
Has the best handling of any car in the world
The most comforable car in the world
The most spacious car in the world
The most powerful car in the world
The most economical car in the world
The most offroad capable car in the world
The most tow capable car in the world
The most utility capable car in the world
The best car for snow and bad weather
The quetest car in the world
Offers the best value for your money

I could go on, but I think you're missing the whole point here.
In reality (and I'm being completely unbiased here), the 3-series DOES have an excellent chassis/suspension, steering system, primary gauges, and brakes, but, other than that, is no better than anything else in its class, and is less reliable than the Lexus IS250/350. And the I-Drive, IMO, is a PITA.

BMW, of course, does offer some free service, but that is a company policy, not the car itself.

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Old 05-26-09, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
In reality (and I'm being completely unbiased here), the 3-series DOES have an excellent chassis/suspension, steering system, primary gauges, and brakes, but, other than that, is no better than anything else in its class, and is less reliable than the Lexus IS250/350. And the I-Drive, IMO, is a PITA.
The 3 series is great for what it is intended for. It would be silly to critisize a 3 series for not having refined interior and comfortable chassis of LS430 or offroad prowess of a Range Rover... Just like it is silly to critisize LS430 and RR for not being sporty.

It remains to be seen whether HS250 is good for what it is intended to be. Probably everyone on this board is looking towards your review on it. But sporty is not something it is meant to be.
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Old 05-26-09, 11:20 PM
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they butchered the RX in this months issue as well. They said that the mpg is average as well as the performance. I have to admit it was nice when I had my infiniti and you would always read relatively positive reviews of their cars. The G35 was car of the year when it came out. The auto magazines dont like Lexus very much in terms of performance.
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Old 05-27-09, 12:06 AM
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Writing about quality and craftsmanship will only sell so many magazines.

I've been around a few other car forums and the consensus is: C&D is crap.
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Old 05-27-09, 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by FKL
BMW 3-Series is every bit as compliant and comfortable as any car, .
There is a big difference between the ride and comfort of a car like the BMW 3 series and the Lexus Es.
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Old 05-27-09, 06:09 AM
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Lexus launchs hybrid only HS250h; Its no more exciting than the Toyota Prius.
"Tell me they did not just say that."



lol...
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The BMW 3 series have a comfortable ride?????? Am I missing something here
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Old 05-27-09, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DASHOCKER
"Tell me they did not just say that."



lol...
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Can't let a C&D thread go without mention this...

C&D tries so hard to suck BMW's ball that they have to add one (1) "need to have" point in order to break the tie between the 2006 IS350 and 330i comparo. Also, that 330i in the comparo is so ****ty that they have to use the previous performance numbers for that comparo. For me, they lost all their credibility in that one single article.

They also don't understand that:

Not everyone is trying to build a 3-series.

If I want a god dang 3-series I'll go to the BMW dealer, I don't want a god dang Lexus 3-series.

How hard is that for their puny mind to understand?
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Old 05-27-09, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by The G Man
The BMW 3 series have a comfortable ride?????? Am I missing something here
C&D is always biased against bmw i think
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Old 05-27-09, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by The G Man
The BMW 3 series have a comfortable ride?????? Am I missing something here
It's not a pillow-soft ride (few car are, nowadays), but an excellent combination of ride and handling.....one of the best I've seen.
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