My monthly rant on why C&D is toilet paper for goats.....I just got this text..
10-28-09, 12:21 AM
#78
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Its the lowest of the low in the auto publication world. Its very biased.
In there defense the new HS seems no more exciting than a prius.
I still remember when I posted because I was pissed off that the morons at this 2nd rate magazine actually said that the " M3 can dispatch the GTR" .
#1 BS
#2 they published a huge track article 4 months before they published this total lie that showed that the GTR destroyed the M3 in every category they measured. They are morons and liars
In there defense the new HS seems no more exciting than a prius.
I still remember when I posted because I was pissed off that the morons at this 2nd rate magazine actually said that the " M3 can dispatch the GTR" .
#1 BS
#2 they published a huge track article 4 months before they published this total lie that showed that the GTR destroyed the M3 in every category they measured. They are morons and liars
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10-28-09, 09:51 AM
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I also prefer R&T over C&D and read both. I don't get too hung-up on the comparo subjective ratings/rankings of any magazine, I reach my own conclusions based on my own requirements, needs, planned usage and taste.
10-28-09, 02:40 PM
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I didn't sign up then. I find it interesting they are texting me about vehicles no one is talking about and omits one that WOULD garner peoples interest.
Again, the reasoning was C&D likes enthusiast cars. So here is a SUPER enthusiast car and I get some news about an Infiniti Leaf electric car that may come?
Again, the reasoning was C&D likes enthusiast cars. So here is a SUPER enthusiast car and I get some news about an Infiniti Leaf electric car that may come?
10-28-09, 02:54 PM
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Car mags tend to focus way too much on performance even w/ cars where it doesn't really matter. I was just reading the Edmunds article on the new Taurus vs Accord. From the standpoint of comfort and feature content the Taurus destroyed the Accord. For the average family the Taurus was the clear choice. And yet they kept focusing on 0-60 times and slalom speeds where the Accord had a very small edge and that seemed to be the focus of 50% of the article.
If you're buying a Ford Taurus and you're concerned about 5 tenths of a second to 60 vs the Accord, you're shopping in the wrong category or else you need to be buying the SHO, which is NOT the Taurus model they were testing.
If you're buying a Ford Taurus and you're concerned about 5 tenths of a second to 60 vs the Accord, you're shopping in the wrong category or else you need to be buying the SHO, which is NOT the Taurus model they were testing.
10-28-09, 06:33 PM
#82
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Road & Track is the best selling and the oldest automotive publication. Its like that for a good reason. Car & Driver is a 2nd rate magazine that lies. I sent them a letter to chew them out about the GTR BS they published as well as to tell them to remember that they are teaching and informing the enthusiasts of the future and that they have a responsibility to keep things accurate and unbiased..
They suck
They suck
10-28-09, 06:55 PM
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Road & Track is the best selling and the oldest automotive publication. Its like that for a good reason. Car & Driver is a 2nd rate magazine that lies. I sent them a letter to chew them out about the GTR BS they published as well as to tell them to remember that they are teaching and informing the enthusiasts of the future and that they have a responsibility to keep things accurate and unbiased..
They suck
They suck
10-29-09, 04:47 AM
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Grainy leather = cheap
Smooth leather = expensive
Is that a fact?
You should probably add that this is your opinion because many people will disagree with you. I really don't see how smooth leather can classified as being more upscale than grainy leather just because its surface is smoother.
You do know that these car companies have departments that test different materials for the cabins of their vehicles. Maybe, just maybe, the consensus was that smooth leather just didn't suit the character or appearance of the BMW 3 series cabin.
"Cheap" is such a strong word. It is totally not befitting for the 3er cabin. BMW interiors have generally been spartan and functional in appearance. Not cheap.
Let's be honest here. Every interior in this class is of a high quality standard including the 3 series. Then again if you feel that way about the 3 series cabin it is your opinion. I can't change your mind.
I have a hard time believing people will turn down a car just because the interior is disappointing. Especially since the 335i cabin shown there looks very nice. There is build quality and material quality clearly visible in that photo.
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10-29-09, 09:12 AM
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If the magazines are so bad, why continue to look at them & read them? Nothing beats driving the cars that adorn the covers of magazines.. If you want to drive super cars, you can by forking up $1495.00 & signing up for the World Class Driving Tour http://worldclassdriving.com/events/experienced
10-29-09, 09:27 AM
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FWIW as somebody who's had a 2007 335i for the last 2 years, I think the 3-series interior is currently worst in class for materials quality and build quality. I found the interior on my car to be very uninviting, full of hard plastics, and prone to quite a bit of rattling. The only car I find possible equally cheap is the C-class. The IS, A4, G37, CTS, and MKZ all have materials that range from somewhat to dramatically higher quality, they're less prone to rattling, most of them are quieter inside, and IMO are more inviting.
I didn't get the 335i for the interior... I put up with the interior to get the driving experience which was second to none of those cars. If I were buying I'd have been less concerned about driving experience and more concerned about the interior. Basically I treated my 335i like a red headed step child because that's how I viewed it.
I also recently sat in a 5-series at the dealership and found it to be not that much better considering it's meant to compete with cars like the Infiniti M, Lexus GS, E-class, etc. All those cars are considerably nicer inside IMO. In fact I found the ~2000 5-series interior to have a considerably more 'solid' feel to it than the 2010. The materials and design just felt much more substantial.
I sat in a the brand new generation of 7 series a couple days ago and while it was very nice, again, for a 100k dollar car it just didn't seem acceptible to me.
IMO BMW has its niche... and that's people that care more about driving than about the quality of their interior. Nothing wrong with that... but some people still refuse to accept it.
I didn't get the 335i for the interior... I put up with the interior to get the driving experience which was second to none of those cars. If I were buying I'd have been less concerned about driving experience and more concerned about the interior. Basically I treated my 335i like a red headed step child because that's how I viewed it.
I also recently sat in a 5-series at the dealership and found it to be not that much better considering it's meant to compete with cars like the Infiniti M, Lexus GS, E-class, etc. All those cars are considerably nicer inside IMO. In fact I found the ~2000 5-series interior to have a considerably more 'solid' feel to it than the 2010. The materials and design just felt much more substantial.
I sat in a the brand new generation of 7 series a couple days ago and while it was very nice, again, for a 100k dollar car it just didn't seem acceptible to me.
IMO BMW has its niche... and that's people that care more about driving than about the quality of their interior. Nothing wrong with that... but some people still refuse to accept it.
10-29-09, 09:42 AM
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FWIW as somebody who's had a 2007 335i for the last 2 years, I think the 3-series interior is currently worst in class for materials quality and build quality. I found the interior on my car to be very uninviting, full of hard plastics, and prone to quite a bit of rattling. The only car I find possible equally cheap is the C-class. The IS, A4, G37, CTS, and MKZ all have materials that range from somewhat to dramatically higher quality, they're less prone to rattling, most of them are quieter inside, and IMO are more inviting.
I didn't get the 335i for the interior... I put up with the interior to get the driving experience which was second to none of those cars. If I were buying I'd have been less concerned about driving experience and more concerned about the interior. Basically I treated my 335i like a red headed step child because that's how I viewed it.
I also recently sat in a 5-series at the dealership and found it to be not that much better considering it's meant to compete with cars like the Infiniti M, Lexus GS, E-class, etc. All those cars are considerably nicer inside IMO. In fact I found the ~2000 5-series interior to have a considerably more 'solid' feel to it than the 2010. The materials and design just felt much more substantial.
I sat in a the brand new generation of 7 series a couple days ago and while it was very nice, again, for a 100k dollar car it just didn't seem acceptible to me.
IMO BMW has its niche... and that's people that care more about driving than about the quality of their interior. Nothing wrong with that... but some people still refuse to accept it.
I didn't get the 335i for the interior... I put up with the interior to get the driving experience which was second to none of those cars. If I were buying I'd have been less concerned about driving experience and more concerned about the interior. Basically I treated my 335i like a red headed step child because that's how I viewed it.
I also recently sat in a 5-series at the dealership and found it to be not that much better considering it's meant to compete with cars like the Infiniti M, Lexus GS, E-class, etc. All those cars are considerably nicer inside IMO. In fact I found the ~2000 5-series interior to have a considerably more 'solid' feel to it than the 2010. The materials and design just felt much more substantial.
I sat in a the brand new generation of 7 series a couple days ago and while it was very nice, again, for a 100k dollar car it just didn't seem acceptible to me.
IMO BMW has its niche... and that's people that care more about driving than about the quality of their interior. Nothing wrong with that... but some people still refuse to accept it.
The leather in the 3 is vat-dyed & not spray painted on.. Which process is cheaper process you think?
Automobile leather is either vat-dyed or a spray-on dye is used.
a) Vat-dyed colour is obtained by immersing the hide in dye, ensuring that the dye permeates through the hide.
b) With spray-on the dye is painted on the surface of the hide, it produces an even colour but the natural grain and looks of the hide is hidden as well as the hide's longevity being compromised.
This is also the least expensive way of applying a leather dye (used mainly by both American and Japanese car manufactures) European vehicles are usually upholstered with vat-dyed leather.http://www.detailuniversity.com/foru...l-leather.html
a) Vat-dyed colour is obtained by immersing the hide in dye, ensuring that the dye permeates through the hide.
b) With spray-on the dye is painted on the surface of the hide, it produces an even colour but the natural grain and looks of the hide is hidden as well as the hide's longevity being compromised.
This is also the least expensive way of applying a leather dye (used mainly by both American and Japanese car manufactures) European vehicles are usually upholstered with vat-dyed leather.http://www.detailuniversity.com/foru...l-leather.html
10-29-09, 09:47 AM
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As a former W204 C class driver I have to disagree.
The cabin might not be flashy in overall appearance but the build and material quality is definitely there. What best describes the C class interior is the word "conservative". The styling is nothing too dramatic either, but again, the quality is there and the materials feels and appear upscale too.
I find the C class interior (as well as the 3er) to be completely on par with their competitors. Audi interiors are great but heavily overrated: as are Lexus dashboards, too. My sister back in the US drives an IS250. I've found the dashboard to be well-constructed and the materials to be good, but hardly better than those used by the competition.
10-29-09, 10:01 AM
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Bump for relevancy : Mind you the text keep coming. I got one about the Infiniti Leaf DRAWING I believe.....Nothing on any Lexus, ever.....
C&D stealing artists work
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C&D editor bashing Lexus
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C&D photo faked
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C&D stealing artists work
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...ghlight=driver
C&D editor bashing Lexus
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...ghlight=driver
C&D photo faked
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...ghlight=driver
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