Motor Trend: BMW M5 vs Cadillac CTS-V
06-03-09, 11:30 PM
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06-04-09, 07:45 AM
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Great article Mike. I really like the CTS-V. I agree with the article that the car's a bit too shiny for my taste. I had actually pondered the cost of taking off all the chrome bits (grill, emblems, wheels, trim) to cover in a PermaStar black chrome coating. Of course I wanted to do this to an all black CTS-V...
Helmets with PermaStar chrome and black chrome:
Helmets with PermaStar chrome and black chrome:
The car is sensational. In EVO/Top Gear/Car etc its giving the much more expensive Germans headaches in comparos.
Love the helmets too. Love black chrome.....chrome was my younger flashy Puff Daddy days
06-05-09, 06:33 PM
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Please explain how a car that gets it's azz handed to it in every performance category, has a comparatively sedate interior and still costs $40K more is better?
You can't take the price out of the equation because it is a fact of life. I've been in both and the V is the far better deal. Anyone that tries to justify the M as being the better choice is the epitome of a brand *****.
Sadly, I know this is true, as my father (a diehard Bimmer fan) will consider purchasing a used M5 with me, but not a new V.
06-05-09, 07:51 PM
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The CTS-V is absolutely the car I'd pick. Far better performance, more luxurious of a ride, too! The interior is far nicer too IMO. The article mentioned finish issues but in my experience BMWs are certainly no stranger to finish issues either.
I agree completely. Who in their right mind would complain that a car is competitive with cars costing 20-30k dollars more, calling it an identity crisis? The CTS-V is fully competitive with the M5 and E63 and yet it costs far less and that's a bad thing??
Wow.
I agree completely. Who in their right mind would complain that a car is competitive with cars costing 20-30k dollars more, calling it an identity crisis? The CTS-V is fully competitive with the M5 and E63 and yet it costs far less and that's a bad thing??
Wow.
06-07-09, 10:01 AM
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Great article Mike. I really like the CTS-V. I agree with the article that the car's a bit too shiny for my taste. I had actually pondered the cost of taking off all the chrome bits (grill, emblems, wheels, trim) to cover in a PermaStar black chrome coating. Of course I wanted to do this to an all black CTS-V...
Helmets with PermaStar chrome and black chrome:
Helmets with PermaStar chrome and black chrome:
06-07-09, 09:22 PM
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Why?
Please explain how a car that gets it's azz handed to it in every performance category, has a comparatively sedate interior and still costs $40K more is better?
You can't take the price out of the equation because it is a fact of life. I've been in both and the V is the far better deal. Anyone that tries to justify the M as being the better choice is the epitome of a brand *****.
Sadly, I know this is true, as my father (a diehard Bimmer fan) will consider purchasing a used M5 with me, but not a new V.
Please explain how a car that gets it's azz handed to it in every performance category, has a comparatively sedate interior and still costs $40K more is better?
You can't take the price out of the equation because it is a fact of life. I've been in both and the V is the far better deal. Anyone that tries to justify the M as being the better choice is the epitome of a brand *****.
Sadly, I know this is true, as my father (a diehard Bimmer fan) will consider purchasing a used M5 with me, but not a new V.
Uh, it's called an opinion. I like the 5-Series design much better, the exterior AND interior. You are just getting caught up in numbers...And talk about being dramatic..getting it's *** handed to it? Give me a break, a few fractions of a second? Like I said, I like the BMW better, so what? Am I a "brand *****" as you've so subtly tried to label me? You know, there are some people who like the BMW better, you can write off all of those people with whatever immature sandbox lanaguage you want, I'll continue to admire and gloat over the M5, I don't even owe you this much explanation, so consider yourself lucky.
06-07-09, 10:37 PM
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I just got a black on black one a few days ago, on the cadi forums someone had their rims black chromed and its sharp. There is also someone who color matched the grill/vents with their matte wheels. IMO it looks much better toned down, I just debadged my car. Next up is trying to get my wheels black chromed.
Here's a link to PermaStar chrome: http://www.goodrichtechnology.com/psinfo.html I hear great things about the finish and durability.
06-07-09, 11:21 PM
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Uh, it's called an opinion. I like the 5-Series design much better, the exterior AND interior. You are just getting caught up in numbers...And talk about being dramatic..getting it's *** handed to it? Give me a break, a few fractions of a second? Like I said, I like the BMW better, so what? Am I a "brand *****" as you've so subtly tried to label me? You know, there are some people who like the BMW better, you can write off all of those people with whatever immature sandbox lanaguage you want, I'll continue to admire and gloat over the M5, I don't even owe you this much explanation, so consider yourself lucky.
I re-quoted your previous post so that you can see that you posted a statement not an opinion.
How am I getting caught up in numbers? I've actually shopped for both cars and can tell you that the numbers don't lie. The V is the only sedan, ever to break the 8 minute mark on the 'Ring.
For anyone to make a general statement that the M5 is simply a better car, essentially because it's a BMW is ridiculous and the definition of "brand whoor". There are many people who do like the M5 better, but it's for subjective reasons, not because it outperforms the V.
Had you said that you preferred the M5, even though it can't match the V's performance for $40K more, then that would have been an opinion.
But I guess I should feel lucky that you took the time to provide an opinion that holds so much weight on this forum.
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