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Old 06-02-09, 12:51 PM
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Says James Corbett, professor of marine policy at the University of Delaware: "Ship pollution affects the health of communities in coastal and inland regions around the world, yet pollution from ships remains one of the least regulated parts of our global transportation system." It sounds serious, but how bad could it be? Staggeringly, if a report by the UK's Guardian newspaper is to be believed. According to their story, just one of the world's largest container ships can emit about as much pollution as 50 million cars. Further, the 15 largest ships in the world emit as much nitrogen oxide and sulphur oxide as the world's 760 million cars.
The problem isn't necessarily with the ships' 109,000-horsepower engines that endlessly spin away 24 hours a day, 280 days a year. In fact, these powerplants are some of the most fuel efficient units in the world. The real issue lies with the heavy fuel oil the ships run on and the almost complete lack of regulations applied to the giant exhaust stacks of these container ships.

The good news is that pressure is building from various governments around the world, including the United States, which just recently introduced legislation to keep these ships at least 230 miles away from U.S. coastlines. Similar measures are likely to follow in other countries like the United Kingdom.
 
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can dramatically raise shipping costs if they are forced to put emissions equipment or use more expensive fuels. That heavy fuel oil stuff is so dirt cheap thats why its preferred to run these ships.

230 miles, how the heck are they suppose to offload their cargo????????
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I heard that most cruise ships get one yard a gallon of gas.

Yes, ONE YARD a GALLON!!!

I can only imagine how bad bigger and heavier ships can get.
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but they are carrying 10,000s tons of cargo. And it will still be far less efficient than transporting that amount of cargo by land or air. These ships carry 12,000 TEUs (the twenty foot trailer size container, so a semi truck trailer is 40' or 2 TEU) can you imagine how much gas it would take to ship 12,000 by air or land, definately not less than the container ship. The biggest one now carries 15,000 TEUs.

South Korean shipbuilder STX announced it would build a 22,000 TEU ship
http://www.turkishmaritime.com.tr/ne...ail.php?id=859

STX reveals design for world's largest containership
Seoul: STX Shipbuilding of South Korea reports it has completed the design of a 22,000teu containership that at 450 metres in length would be the longest ship to ply the oceans. Two alternative versions have been designed, one with a single propellor and the other with twin propellors.

Compared to Emmma Maersk, the world's largest existing containership, the new design represents a 50% increase in capacity and some 50 metres extra in length.

"The 22,000 TEU marks a breakthrough in the sense that the 20,000 TEU was once considered as the limit of a container ship can get in terms of its transport capacity both in terms of technology and economy," said STX in a statement.

The current price of fuel is a major driver to bigger ships, added STX, and these new vessels could cut the shipping price per container by 40%. [29/05/08]

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interesting. never thought of this.
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too bad you cant go nuclear.
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Interesting, but if you want to see real air pollution just visit China, unbelievable. And the crap drifts all over the world.
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Originally Posted by IS-SV
Interesting, but if you want to see real air pollution just visit China, unbelievable. And the crap drifts all over the world.
Try going over there for a week. You'll need a respirator when you return
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Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen
can dramatically raise shipping costs if they are forced to put emissions equipment or use more expensive fuels. That heavy fuel oil stuff is so dirt cheap thats why its preferred to run these ships.

230 miles, how the heck are they suppose to offload their cargo????????
Yeah, real bright... Watch the end product prices go through the roof.
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Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen
230 miles, how the heck are they suppose to offload their cargo????????
i think it means 230 miles when on their journey, not when they're coming into port, the idea being to keep the ship traffic a LONG way from the coast.

this article makes me laugh though.

wasn't it al 'hot air' gore who declared the automobile the greatest threat to the planet? what a complete idiot.
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Originally Posted by IS-SV
Interesting, but if you want to see real air pollution just visit China, unbelievable. And the crap drifts all over the world.
Originally Posted by MPLexus301
Try going over there for a week. You'll need a respirator when you return
and they're in the process of making it MUCH, MUCH, MUUUUCH worse with the zillion coal powered power stations they're building and the zillions of additional cars expected to be on their roads in coming years.
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This is why it wont ever get better. We need to do this, we need to do that oh wait it'll cost to much ah nevermind....
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/02/r...-equal-that-o/

Says James Corbett, professor of marine policy at the University of Delaware: "Ship pollution affects the health of communities in coastal and inland regions around the world, yet pollution from ships remains one of the least regulated parts of our global transportation system." It sounds serious, but how bad could it be? Staggeringly, if a report by the UK's Guardian newspaper is to be believed. According to their story, just one of the world's largest container ships can emit about as much pollution as 50 million cars. Further, the 15 largest ships in the world emit as much nitrogen oxide and sulphur oxide as the world's 760 million cars.
The problem isn't necessarily with the ships' 109,000-horsepower engines that endlessly spin away 24 hours a day, 280 days a year. In fact, these powerplants are some of the most fuel efficient units in the world. The real issue lies with the heavy fuel oil the ships run on and the almost complete lack of regulations applied to the giant exhaust stacks of these container ships.

The good news is that pressure is building from various governments around the world, including the United States, which just recently introduced legislation to keep these ships at least 230 miles away from U.S. coastlines. Similar measures are likely to follow in other countries like the United Kingdom.


Thankyou for posting this, why can't we call it job well Done with car emissions and start on the real problems? You can't even commit suicide in a closed garage with a new car anymore!
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Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen
but they are carrying 10,000s tons of cargo. And it will still be far less efficient than transporting that amount of cargo by land or air. These ships carry 12,000 TEUs (the twenty foot trailer size container, so a semi truck trailer is 40' or 2 TEU) can you imagine how much gas it would take to ship 12,000 by air or land, definately not less than the container ship. The biggest one now carries 15,000 TEUs.

South Korean shipbuilder STX announced it would build a 22,000 TEU ship
http://www.turkishmaritime.com.tr/ne...ail.php?id=859
Maybe we can make it here in the USA.... no then everyone would have jobs and Obama wouldn't have anything to do.
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It's too expensive to produce things in the US because of the labor costs and taxes. Not to mention looking @ 4TehNguyen's numbers, that would mean there would have to be at least 6,000 more trucks on the road. Traffic is bad enough as it is
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