Official Infiniti Q70 (M37/56) thread
08-17-09, 11:04 AM
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from sheer happiness.
@ Infiniti, we're on our way.
I really think the M56 is the new flagship of Infiniti. Highly doubt there will ever be another Q.
(hopes and prays to the CL gods that this post doesn't get deleted, like the one I posted yesterday in this thread
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08-17-09, 11:08 AM
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Pitman- C'mon Mang.The people here at CL are the most passionate,knowledgable,educated & good looking- bunch you will find on the net. Car forum sites is only as good as it's members. CL is the best car forum hands down.It also shares a wealth of info about cars, not just LEXUS. We are Lexus enthusiats, but many members have differrent cars in their driveways. We think the M looks great & has lots of power. We give props to where it's due.
bunch you will find on the net. Car forum sites is only as good as it's members. CL is the best car forum hands down.It also shares a wealth of info about cars, not just LEXUS. We are Lexus enthusiats, but many members have differrent cars in their driveways. We think the M looks great & has lots of power. We give props to where it's due. 
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08-17-09, 11:45 AM
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I fear it might still be a generation away from happening, or that it might be unable to be integrated with DI, but looking at what is out there, Lexus needs to get it's head in the game. Plodding along not paying attention to the competition will not work beyond this generation.
p.s. 380 hp + 10% (38 hp) = 418 hp
08-17-09, 12:14 PM
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Infiniti engines have always been bigger than Lexus, that is nothing new. Lexus engines have always been more fuel efficient and smaller but with the same or better performance (for a multitude of reasons, weight, tranny etc).
I don't expect to see Lexus to get in a pissing match here in regards to engine size (the germans took that crown a long time ago) though surely some would like to see that. Possibly the 5.0 in the IS-F and LS 600hL will make it into the next GS? Who knows. GS 500 sounds good to me.
To be honest I'm just waiting for a GS-F. I don't see myself buying any Lexus that is not a "h" or "F" model.
08-17-09, 02:58 PM
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08-17-09, 06:03 PM
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The design is not stunning but it's pretty nice.
A 5.6L in the present climate is just nuts
Back in 2005 when I was choosing between GS and M I chose GS and don't
regret it for a second. Maybe this redesign can change all that for Infiniti
vs the 4th gen GS...
A 5.6L in the present climate is just nuts
Back in 2005 when I was choosing between GS and M I chose GS and don't
regret it for a second. Maybe this redesign can change all that for Infiniti
vs the 4th gen GS...
08-17-09, 09:19 PM
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Speaking of which, BMW execs have had fun claiming that "we're not worried about Audi, only Lexus and Mercedes are competitors" etc etc., and now Infiniti has claimed it is targeting BMW. With bigger displacement engines perhaps it is targeting them even more...hopefully fuel economy will not suffer.
08-17-09, 11:22 PM
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I also battled to pick the best one and dont regret my choice at all. I thought the Lexus looked nicer, had a slightly higher level of fit and finish as well as the quality of the leather. I also wasnt a fan of the service I was getting at Infiniti.
Although if the choice was being made today I might have gone with the new M for its great styling, more power, and a better transmission
Although if the choice was being made today I might have gone with the new M for its great styling, more power, and a better transmission
08-17-09, 11:51 PM
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I am honestly underwhelmed and almost disappointed. After all the hype, and seeing the teaser pic I expected a better design. I can't say I'm too surprised though, as Infiniti has gotten into a pattern lately of having their redesigned models look almost exactly like the previous generation models.
It looks like Infiniti tried hard at making the new M look both luxurious and sporty and they failed at both. The car just looks too busy in both exterior and interior, with too many clashing styling elements. I'm not a big fan of the current (2nd gen) M, but I actually like it more style-wise than this new M. The current M has more crisp, clean styling lines and the car looks clearly sporty. This new M to me comes off as a sporty car trying hard to look luxurious and elegant with exaggerated curves and failing at it. To be honest the car looks somewhat bland.
It may look good with these press pics that have exaggerated lighting, but in more natural lighting and in the real world, I expect the car to look even more bland.
It also does resemble the G sedan somewhat.
The interior has a nice variety of materials, but I do not like how it looks and how everything comes together. The seat design looks hideous personally. I do not like the "ATM machine" center dash design that Infiniti continues to stick with. The interior also looks way too busy, it has too many colors and curves. Many of the curves in the interior conflict with other parts. For example, the center dash is very angular and has straight edges, yet other parts of the interior feature strong curves.
I hope those interior door handles are not real aluminum, as that would be highly impractical. They would get cold in winter climates, and hot in summer climates. That shifter design and surround personally looks cheap, as if it was lifted straight off a Nissan.
Compare the shifter design to the GS:
The GS shifter looks more expensive and more integrated than on the M. Also that wood trim on the M personally looks cheap, even if it is real wood. The wood trim on the GS looks more elegant.
Then we have the gauges on the M, they look a bit goofy to me, especially compared to the GS.
The GS gauges might seem "plain" to some people, but they certainly look more elegant.
Infiniti, as usual, did not put a whole lot of attention to detail on the new M, just like it's other products. Infiniti's main strategy of enticing customers is offering lots of value for the money, "gee-whiz" styling, and performance (for the money). Luxury, high-end/innovative features, attention to detail, elegance; Infiniti has never really been known to focus on these kinds of things, and I don't expect this to change with the new M either.
As for the rear lights, I think I see where they got their inspiration from:
I hope for Infiniti's sake that customers don't make the same association to the Q as I did.
I have to agree, the GS in this comparison shot looks better than the M.
Feature-wise, if all they are offering in terms of new stuff is a blind-spot intervention system, that is pretty weak. I hope they have more than that in terms of new features.
Now looking at specs, this does seem to be quite impressive. New transmissions, a new V8 engine, and new V6 engines.
I also question Infiniti's design to "virtually" show the new M, instead of showing an actual real prototype. I really have to wonder, why? Is Infiniti strapped for cash that they couldn't build a real model? Are they desperate for some press attention? Have they simply become lazy?
I would also like to strongly disagree with those saying that the 4GS won't be able to compete with this. In terms of elegance (possibly debatable) and attention to detail, the 3GS *already* beats this new M.
Thing is, we don't know exactly what the 4GS will bring to the table. Since the Lexus brand debuted, Toyota has usually had it's most advanced and state-of-the-art technology typically on Lexus models first.
Toyota right now has the technology to make a 350-360HP V6 with class-leading fuel economy and emissions. They also have the technology to make a 420HP+ V8 engine with class-leading fuel economy and emissions. This can be easily achieved with Dual VVT-iE and Valvematic technology that Toyota has right now. Dual VVT-iE is yet to be implemented in a production car, but several Toyota production models already feature Valvematic, and several Lexus models already have single VVT-iE. Having Dual VVT-iE would also improve engine reliability, on top of improved power and fuel economy. Some of you are questioning the cost of this. That is largely irrelevant. What do you think the cost is for Infiniti of making a new V8 engine with supposedly DI and VVEL technology? As the GS is a premium sedan for Lexus, cost is really not a big issue.
The 3RX improved upon many complaints and flaws that the 2RX had, so I expect the same thing from the 4GS improving upon the 3GS.
As of now, the 4GS is expected to have:
- a V6 model
- a V8 model
- a hybrid model
- a GS-F model (with a rumored detuned LF-A V10 engine).
The 4GS could bring even more to the table than that. Let's not forget, when Toyota announced the IS-F, it took a lot of Lexus and Toyota fans by surprise. A lot of people never expected the IS-F.
Toyota now has a strong leader helming the company (president Akio Toyoda). The 4GS will be a world model, built for a lot more markets than Infiniti currently exists in. Expectations are high worldwide for the 4GS so I expect Lexus will not disappoint.
It looks like Infiniti tried hard at making the new M look both luxurious and sporty and they failed at both. The car just looks too busy in both exterior and interior, with too many clashing styling elements. I'm not a big fan of the current (2nd gen) M, but I actually like it more style-wise than this new M. The current M has more crisp, clean styling lines and the car looks clearly sporty. This new M to me comes off as a sporty car trying hard to look luxurious and elegant with exaggerated curves and failing at it. To be honest the car looks somewhat bland.
It may look good with these press pics that have exaggerated lighting, but in more natural lighting and in the real world, I expect the car to look even more bland.
It also does resemble the G sedan somewhat.
The interior has a nice variety of materials, but I do not like how it looks and how everything comes together. The seat design looks hideous personally. I do not like the "ATM machine" center dash design that Infiniti continues to stick with. The interior also looks way too busy, it has too many colors and curves. Many of the curves in the interior conflict with other parts. For example, the center dash is very angular and has straight edges, yet other parts of the interior feature strong curves.
I hope those interior door handles are not real aluminum, as that would be highly impractical. They would get cold in winter climates, and hot in summer climates. That shifter design and surround personally looks cheap, as if it was lifted straight off a Nissan.
Compare the shifter design to the GS:
The GS shifter looks more expensive and more integrated than on the M. Also that wood trim on the M personally looks cheap, even if it is real wood. The wood trim on the GS looks more elegant.
Then we have the gauges on the M, they look a bit goofy to me, especially compared to the GS.
The GS gauges might seem "plain" to some people, but they certainly look more elegant.
Infiniti, as usual, did not put a whole lot of attention to detail on the new M, just like it's other products. Infiniti's main strategy of enticing customers is offering lots of value for the money, "gee-whiz" styling, and performance (for the money). Luxury, high-end/innovative features, attention to detail, elegance; Infiniti has never really been known to focus on these kinds of things, and I don't expect this to change with the new M either.
As for the rear lights, I think I see where they got their inspiration from:
I hope for Infiniti's sake that customers don't make the same association to the Q as I did.
I have to agree, the GS in this comparison shot looks better than the M.
Feature-wise, if all they are offering in terms of new stuff is a blind-spot intervention system, that is pretty weak. I hope they have more than that in terms of new features.
Now looking at specs, this does seem to be quite impressive. New transmissions, a new V8 engine, and new V6 engines.
I also question Infiniti's design to "virtually" show the new M, instead of showing an actual real prototype. I really have to wonder, why? Is Infiniti strapped for cash that they couldn't build a real model? Are they desperate for some press attention? Have they simply become lazy?
I would also like to strongly disagree with those saying that the 4GS won't be able to compete with this. In terms of elegance (possibly debatable) and attention to detail, the 3GS *already* beats this new M.
Thing is, we don't know exactly what the 4GS will bring to the table. Since the Lexus brand debuted, Toyota has usually had it's most advanced and state-of-the-art technology typically on Lexus models first.
Toyota right now has the technology to make a 350-360HP V6 with class-leading fuel economy and emissions. They also have the technology to make a 420HP+ V8 engine with class-leading fuel economy and emissions. This can be easily achieved with Dual VVT-iE and Valvematic technology that Toyota has right now. Dual VVT-iE is yet to be implemented in a production car, but several Toyota production models already feature Valvematic, and several Lexus models already have single VVT-iE. Having Dual VVT-iE would also improve engine reliability, on top of improved power and fuel economy. Some of you are questioning the cost of this. That is largely irrelevant. What do you think the cost is for Infiniti of making a new V8 engine with supposedly DI and VVEL technology? As the GS is a premium sedan for Lexus, cost is really not a big issue.
The 3RX improved upon many complaints and flaws that the 2RX had, so I expect the same thing from the 4GS improving upon the 3GS.
As of now, the 4GS is expected to have:
- a V6 model
- a V8 model
- a hybrid model
- a GS-F model (with a rumored detuned LF-A V10 engine).
The 4GS could bring even more to the table than that. Let's not forget, when Toyota announced the IS-F, it took a lot of Lexus and Toyota fans by surprise. A lot of people never expected the IS-F.
Toyota now has a strong leader helming the company (president Akio Toyoda). The 4GS will be a world model, built for a lot more markets than Infiniti currently exists in. Expectations are high worldwide for the 4GS so I expect Lexus will not disappoint.
08-18-09, 07:21 AM
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j/kPitman- C'mon Mang.The people here at CL are the most passionate,knowledgable,educated & good looking- bunch you will find on the net. Car forum sites is only as good as it's members. CL is the best car forum hands down.It also shares a wealth of info about cars, not just LEXUS. We are Lexus enthusiats, but many members have differrent cars in their driveways. We think the M looks great & has lots of power. We give props to where it's due.
bunch you will find on the net. Car forum sites is only as good as it's members. CL is the best car forum hands down.It also shares a wealth of info about cars, not just LEXUS. We are Lexus enthusiats, but many members have differrent cars in their driveways. We think the M looks great & has lots of power. We give props to where it's due. 
As far as adding another car to their line-up, it wouldn't be a bad idea to make a Q to go against the 7-Series, LS, and S. Maybe a good idea, maybe
08-18-09, 07:26 AM
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I am honestly underwhelmed and almost disappointed. After all the hype, and seeing the teaser pic I expected a better design. I can't say I'm too surprised though, as Infiniti has gotten into a pattern lately of having their redesigned models look almost exactly like the previous generation models.
It looks like Infiniti tried hard at making the new M look both luxurious and sporty and they failed at both. The car just looks too busy in both exterior and interior, with too many clashing styling elements. I'm not a big fan of the current (2nd gen) M, but I actually like it more style-wise than this new M. The current M has more crisp, clean styling lines and the car looks clearly sporty. This new M to me comes off as a sporty car trying hard to look luxurious and elegant with exaggerated curves and failing at it. To be honest the car looks somewhat bland.
It may look good with these press pics that have exaggerated lighting, but in more natural lighting and in the real world, I expect the car to look even more bland.
It also does resemble the G sedan somewhat.
The interior has a nice variety of materials, but I do not like how it looks and how everything comes together. The seat design looks hideous personally. I do not like the "ATM machine" center dash design that Infiniti continues to stick with. The interior also looks way too busy, it has too many colors and curves. Many of the curves in the interior conflict with other parts. For example, the center dash is very angular and has straight edges, yet other parts of the interior feature strong curves.
I hope those interior door handles are not real aluminum, as that would be highly impractical. They would get cold in winter climates, and hot in summer climates. That shifter design and surround personally looks cheap, as if it was lifted straight off a Nissan.
Compare the shifter design to the GS:
The GS shifter looks more expensive and more integrated than on the M. Also that wood trim on the M personally looks cheap, even if it is real wood. The wood trim on the GS looks more elegant.
Then we have the gauges on the M, they look a bit goofy to me, especially compared to the GS.
The GS gauges might seem "plain" to some people, but they certainly look more elegant.
Infiniti, as usual, did not put a whole lot of attention to detail on the new M, just like it's other products. Infiniti's main strategy of enticing customers is offering lots of value for the money, "gee-whiz" styling, and performance (for the money). Luxury, high-end/innovative features, attention to detail, elegance; Infiniti has never really been known to focus on these kinds of things, and I don't expect this to change with the new M either.
As for the rear lights, I think I see where they got their inspiration from:
I hope for Infiniti's sake that customers don't make the same association to the Q as I did.
I have to agree, the GS in this comparison shot looks better than the M.
Feature-wise, if all they are offering in terms of new stuff is a blind-spot intervention system, that is pretty weak. I hope they have more than that in terms of new features.
Now looking at specs, this does seem to be quite impressive. New transmissions, a new V8 engine, and new V6 engines.
I also question Infiniti's design to "virtually" show the new M, instead of showing an actual real prototype. I really have to wonder, why? Is Infiniti strapped for cash that they couldn't build a real model? Are they desperate for some press attention? Have they simply become lazy?
I would also like to strongly disagree with those saying that the 4GS won't be able to compete with this. In terms of elegance (possibly debatable) and attention to detail, the 3GS *already* beats this new M.
Thing is, we don't know exactly what the 4GS will bring to the table. Since the Lexus brand debuted, Toyota has usually had it's most advanced and state-of-the-art technology typically on Lexus models first.
Toyota right now has the technology to make a 350-360HP V6 with class-leading fuel economy and emissions. They also have the technology to make a 420HP+ V8 engine with class-leading fuel economy and emissions. This can be easily achieved with Dual VVT-iE and Valvematic technology that Toyota has right now. Dual VVT-iE is yet to be implemented in a production car, but several Toyota production models already feature Valvematic, and several Lexus models already have single VVT-iE. Having Dual VVT-iE would also improve engine reliability, on top of improved power and fuel economy. Some of you are questioning the cost of this. That is largely irrelevant. What do you think the cost is for Infiniti of making a new V8 engine with supposedly DI and VVEL technology? As the GS is a premium sedan for Lexus, cost is really not a big issue.
The 3RX improved upon many complaints and flaws that the 2RX had, so I expect the same thing from the 4GS improving upon the 3GS.
As of now, the 4GS is expected to have:
- a V6 model
- a V8 model
- a hybrid model
- a GS-F model (with a rumored detuned LF-A V10 engine).
The 4GS could bring even more to the table than that. Let's not forget, when Toyota announced the IS-F, it took a lot of Lexus and Toyota fans by surprise. A lot of people never expected the IS-F.
Toyota now has a strong leader helming the company (president Akio Toyoda). The 4GS will be a world model, built for a lot more markets than Infiniti currently exists in. Expectations are high worldwide for the 4GS so I expect Lexus will not disappoint.
It looks like Infiniti tried hard at making the new M look both luxurious and sporty and they failed at both. The car just looks too busy in both exterior and interior, with too many clashing styling elements. I'm not a big fan of the current (2nd gen) M, but I actually like it more style-wise than this new M. The current M has more crisp, clean styling lines and the car looks clearly sporty. This new M to me comes off as a sporty car trying hard to look luxurious and elegant with exaggerated curves and failing at it. To be honest the car looks somewhat bland.
It may look good with these press pics that have exaggerated lighting, but in more natural lighting and in the real world, I expect the car to look even more bland.
It also does resemble the G sedan somewhat.
The interior has a nice variety of materials, but I do not like how it looks and how everything comes together. The seat design looks hideous personally. I do not like the "ATM machine" center dash design that Infiniti continues to stick with. The interior also looks way too busy, it has too many colors and curves. Many of the curves in the interior conflict with other parts. For example, the center dash is very angular and has straight edges, yet other parts of the interior feature strong curves.
I hope those interior door handles are not real aluminum, as that would be highly impractical. They would get cold in winter climates, and hot in summer climates. That shifter design and surround personally looks cheap, as if it was lifted straight off a Nissan.
Compare the shifter design to the GS:
The GS shifter looks more expensive and more integrated than on the M. Also that wood trim on the M personally looks cheap, even if it is real wood. The wood trim on the GS looks more elegant.
Then we have the gauges on the M, they look a bit goofy to me, especially compared to the GS.
The GS gauges might seem "plain" to some people, but they certainly look more elegant.
Infiniti, as usual, did not put a whole lot of attention to detail on the new M, just like it's other products. Infiniti's main strategy of enticing customers is offering lots of value for the money, "gee-whiz" styling, and performance (for the money). Luxury, high-end/innovative features, attention to detail, elegance; Infiniti has never really been known to focus on these kinds of things, and I don't expect this to change with the new M either.
As for the rear lights, I think I see where they got their inspiration from:
I hope for Infiniti's sake that customers don't make the same association to the Q as I did.
I have to agree, the GS in this comparison shot looks better than the M.
Feature-wise, if all they are offering in terms of new stuff is a blind-spot intervention system, that is pretty weak. I hope they have more than that in terms of new features.
Now looking at specs, this does seem to be quite impressive. New transmissions, a new V8 engine, and new V6 engines.
I also question Infiniti's design to "virtually" show the new M, instead of showing an actual real prototype. I really have to wonder, why? Is Infiniti strapped for cash that they couldn't build a real model? Are they desperate for some press attention? Have they simply become lazy?
I would also like to strongly disagree with those saying that the 4GS won't be able to compete with this. In terms of elegance (possibly debatable) and attention to detail, the 3GS *already* beats this new M.
Thing is, we don't know exactly what the 4GS will bring to the table. Since the Lexus brand debuted, Toyota has usually had it's most advanced and state-of-the-art technology typically on Lexus models first.
Toyota right now has the technology to make a 350-360HP V6 with class-leading fuel economy and emissions. They also have the technology to make a 420HP+ V8 engine with class-leading fuel economy and emissions. This can be easily achieved with Dual VVT-iE and Valvematic technology that Toyota has right now. Dual VVT-iE is yet to be implemented in a production car, but several Toyota production models already feature Valvematic, and several Lexus models already have single VVT-iE. Having Dual VVT-iE would also improve engine reliability, on top of improved power and fuel economy. Some of you are questioning the cost of this. That is largely irrelevant. What do you think the cost is for Infiniti of making a new V8 engine with supposedly DI and VVEL technology? As the GS is a premium sedan for Lexus, cost is really not a big issue.
The 3RX improved upon many complaints and flaws that the 2RX had, so I expect the same thing from the 4GS improving upon the 3GS.
As of now, the 4GS is expected to have:
- a V6 model
- a V8 model
- a hybrid model
- a GS-F model (with a rumored detuned LF-A V10 engine).
The 4GS could bring even more to the table than that. Let's not forget, when Toyota announced the IS-F, it took a lot of Lexus and Toyota fans by surprise. A lot of people never expected the IS-F.
Toyota now has a strong leader helming the company (president Akio Toyoda). The 4GS will be a world model, built for a lot more markets than Infiniti currently exists in. Expectations are high worldwide for the 4GS so I expect Lexus will not disappoint.
The amount of Lexus **** here is over the top. But I respect your opinions nonetheless.
08-18-09, 07:27 AM
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Also, I know how much power the GS currently makes. It doesn't change the fact however, that it is a grossly de-tuned version of the LS engine, and nowhere near capable of what the v8 is capable of.
I've been checking back the history, and barring the jump to the 3rd gen, the power increase on the V8 model has been always 10-20%. Same goes for the V6 version, except for the jump from 1-2nd gen.