Official Infiniti Q70 (M37/56) thread
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#692
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I like Infinity. Hope they improve. Baby steps. Just because its a Lexus forum doesnt mean we have to dump on other fellow Luxury Japanese makes. Not every brand is going to be hugely successful. Work is needed but theyre on it. Naming issues or not, they have nice looking new cars. If Infinity and Acura come up, it should help Lexus. The reasoning is they wont just be looking to the german or Jaguar brands as competition vehicles. Caddy coming up along with the other two may make Lexus take a look at the segments they choose to occupy or even recreate. If they do something, Lexus may do something to answer. Competition drives brands to new heights.
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I like Infinity. Hope they improve. Baby steps. Just because its a Lexus forum doesnt mean we have to dump on other fellow Luxury Japanese makes. Not every brand is going to be hugely successful. Work is needed but theyre on it. Naming issues or not, they have nice looking new cars. If Infinity and Acura come up, it should help Lexus. The reasoning is they wont just be looking to the german or Jaguar brands as competition vehicles. Caddy coming up along with the other two may make Lexus take a look at the segments they choose to occupy or even recreate. If they do something, Lexus may do something to answer. Competition drives brands to new heights.
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Many of us including myself have stated the brands struggles hurt, don't help Lexus. Where the Europeans have multiple powerhouse brands, Asia only has one. The thing is people have been singing the same song for 25 years now and will this finally be permanent change? Not temporary, but permanent.
Sure they do. If they did, then we wouldn't be having this conversation now would we?
Sure they do. If they did, then we wouldn't be having this conversation now would we?
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while renault/nissan is a huge company, i doubt they have anything like the resources of toyota/lexus and more importantly, they're unlikely to pour money into infiniti. now infiniti got off to a really bad start, their original q45 was plagued with problems. their marketing was dreadful. they've sputtered forward though, with the g35/g37 being their best 'hit'. they're now going through another makeover to brand everything a 'q' which seems weird but we may look back on it and think it was genius. their current range is better than ever, but they need a real new flagship.
last i checked, india is part of asia and has its brands (acquired), with jaguar and land rover (india has the last laugh over their former 'rulers' lol).
but i don't agree at all that the success or failure of infiniti (the only other luxury car brand besides lexus - acura doesn't count) makes any difference to lexus. it's not 'japan vs. germany (vs. u.s.)'. it is also obvious that korea's hyundai/kia, with or without a separate brand, is going to have several potentially competitive luxury vehicles, and it is also obvious, that within the next decade we'll see 'better than dreadful' chinese luxury vehicles.
so is it germany vs. japan vs. u.s. vs. india vs. korea? no, it's a global stage and it makes NO difference where a vehicle is designed or made except to those clinging to national identities. do american bmw buyers care if their 'bimmer' is made in germany or spartanburg? no! do rx buyers care that they're made in canada? no!
but i don't agree at all that the success or failure of infiniti (the only other luxury car brand besides lexus - acura doesn't count) makes any difference to lexus. it's not 'japan vs. germany (vs. u.s.)'. it is also obvious that korea's hyundai/kia, with or without a separate brand, is going to have several potentially competitive luxury vehicles, and it is also obvious, that within the next decade we'll see 'better than dreadful' chinese luxury vehicles.
so is it germany vs. japan vs. u.s. vs. india vs. korea? no, it's a global stage and it makes NO difference where a vehicle is designed or made except to those clinging to national identities. do american bmw buyers care if their 'bimmer' is made in germany or spartanburg? no! do rx buyers care that they're made in canada? no!
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while renault/nissan is a huge company, i doubt they have anything like the resources of toyota/lexus and more importantly, they're unlikely to pour money into infiniti. now infiniti got off to a really bad start, their original q45 was plagued with problems. their marketing was dreadful. they've sputtered forward though, with the g35/g37 being their best 'hit'. they're now going through another makeover to brand everything a 'q' which seems weird but we may look back on it and think it was genius. their current range is better than ever, but they need a real new flagship.
last i checked, india is part of asia and has its brands (acquired), with jaguar and land rover (india has the last laugh over their former 'rulers' lol).
but i don't agree at all that the success or failure of infiniti (the only other luxury car brand besides lexus - acura doesn't count) makes any difference to lexus. it's not 'japan vs. germany (vs. u.s.)'. it is also obvious that korea's hyundai/kia, with or without a separate brand, is going to have several potentially competitive luxury vehicles, and it is also obvious, that within the next decade we'll see 'better than dreadful' chinese luxury vehicles.
so is it germany vs. japan vs. u.s. vs. india vs. korea? no, it's a global stage and it makes NO difference where a vehicle is designed or made except to those clinging to national identities. do american bmw buyers care if their 'bimmer' is made in germany or spartanburg? no! do rx buyers care that they're made in canada? no!
last i checked, india is part of asia and has its brands (acquired), with jaguar and land rover (india has the last laugh over their former 'rulers' lol).
but i don't agree at all that the success or failure of infiniti (the only other luxury car brand besides lexus - acura doesn't count) makes any difference to lexus. it's not 'japan vs. germany (vs. u.s.)'. it is also obvious that korea's hyundai/kia, with or without a separate brand, is going to have several potentially competitive luxury vehicles, and it is also obvious, that within the next decade we'll see 'better than dreadful' chinese luxury vehicles.
so is it germany vs. japan vs. u.s. vs. india vs. korea? no, it's a global stage and it makes NO difference where a vehicle is designed or made except to those clinging to national identities. do american bmw buyers care if their 'bimmer' is made in germany or spartanburg? no! do rx buyers care that they're made in canada? no!
Thus when one thinks of European luxury, they think Porsche, Audi, BMW, Benz, heck even Ferrari etc. When one thinks of Asian luxury (specifically Japanese luxury) they think Lexus. That is unequal weight which makes it harder for Lexus to seem like a credible brand for those that just automatically dismiss Japanese luxury.
It makes a difference with public perception which in turn sells or does not sell a product/car.
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... Japanese luxury is still a new relative term in regards to cars and only Lexus has been successful and seen as on par or at least near the Germans. However it is just Lexus. Thus the reputation for Japanese luxury is nowhere near Europeans since the other brands struggle. ... Thus when one thinks of European luxury, they think Porsche, Audi, BMW, Benz, heck even Ferrari etc. When one thinks of Asian luxury (specifically Japanese luxury) they think Lexus.
BMW's auto transmissions forever were made by GM (a fact most people don't know, example), but of course they were "German cars" with refined 'european' transmissions.
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Apparently GM's Video Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_6L50_transmission transmission is used in the current X1, X3, 1, and 3-series.
#705
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550 engines were made to be sedan engines not a truck engine. Those were sedan engines first and foremost that were put into trucks. 5.6 was in the Titan, Pathfinder Armada, QX56 long before it made its way into the M. So what do you think about Lexus putting the 5.7 Tundra/Sequoia/LC/LX into the GS or LS? No thanks. LX470 engine has been around for a long long time why wasnt it put into the GS/LS430?
I honestly would not care in the slightest if Lexus put the 5.7 Tundra engine in a Lexus as long as NVH levels were appropriate.
All in all, you seem to be drawing some sort of distinction where there's no need. The only difference between a "truck engine" and a sedan engine is NVH, placement of things like the alternator, and modifications that allow the engine to operate at odd angles. They're also usually tuned for torque, which isn't a bad thing in a heavy luxury sedan.
I know E36's had them, so they've been in use for quite a while.