The G Man

Look at Hyundai at #4, nice going, more competition from Korea means better cars for us.

Interesting note here is that the industial average # of problems per 100 cars is lower than 2008. The industry as a whole is make higher quality cars. What does that mean for a car company like Lexus, which sells cars based on their reputation for reliability.

LexBob2

I agree with your assessment. Like them or not, both JDP and CR are influential and are the best resources available for consumers. I don't view either as "gospel", but as references when making a car purchase.

Threxx

Yes... I remember... we've had this conversation several times now.

My opinion of CR, as I've said before, is still lower than that of JDP simply due to their inherently flawed survey methods.

ST430

So what do Sauerkraut fans cite for quality metrics? Or is that even in your vocabulary?

LexFather

There is no CORRECT survey. We are fortunate to see these survey's done and we can come to conclusions. I've found their conclusions easily mimic the issues or non issues on car forums.

DASHOCKER

iTrader: (2)

The look on hot woman's face when they see a tall, handsome, in shape, successful man rolling in a new car. They know quality when they see it. Is that in your vocabulary?

Threxx

Since when does the average woman know anything about a car other than if it looks cute or not? I think you basically just admitted to being a badge *****.

Anyhow... IMO he asked a valid question (even though he didn't ask it very politely)... if you discredit JD Power and CR entirely, what other surveys do you give credit to, or do you just not believe anything you ever read and assume that your personal experience is the best metric of future experiences?

While I don't consider any survey to be the absolute word on quality, if CR, JDP, Consumer Guide, Wards, etc plus the various mags/editorials etc are all telling me similar things... then I'll definitely take note. I combine that with my own personal experience, but I tend to give my experience less priority over what I read since I believe in statistics and the law of averages as a whole when the surveys are executed properly.

DASHOCKER

iTrader: (2)

I had to stoop to the level of the child for a moment. No, I am not a badge blah blah blah. I never let magazines, surveys that have not changed since the days of the high top fade, dictate my buying decision. These sample surveys are not accurate. Did any of you get a survey from J.D Powers? I've bought 3 new cars to date going on 4 & I nevr got a survey from J.D. Powers.. I base my quality assessment on experiencing the product on my own or in my case buying them. That is more accurate than a study hall set of survey participants in my book.

YEH

Auto Bild (Germany) probably does the most comprehensive analysis of reliability in the industry, and while (taking into account the varying model mix btwn the States and Germany) there are a few discrepancies, one will usually find the same makes at the top and bottom of their rankings as in CR or JDP.

dunnojack

yeah, that's a big fire lit under lexus' ***.


too bad initial quality doesn't mean squat after 3000 miles.

LexFather

You are telling us personal experience is better than these quality trusted survey by professionals? Every automaker follows these surveys adamantly.You're the same guy that balks at people who share their experiences as well?


So you want us to
1. Believe you
2. Not believe other people and their stories
3. Not believe JD Power

Wow


I strongly suggest reading this before people go from laughing at your posts to not paying any attention to them.

http://www.dobney.com/Research/MR_basics.htm

pagemaster

CR is a very good and accurate publication. Usually CR is dead on with their date. Only car I do not agree with is the 99 out of 100 score for LS460.

The J.D Power awards seem a little wishy-washy...

pagemaster

....
Lame!

rominl

iTrader: (4)

funny, every single car i have bought over the last 7 yrs (5 new cars), i have received survey from JD together with a few other institutes.

pagemaster

My dad recieved one survey from JD. I have never recieved a survey. I think the dealership has to be set up with JD powers for the owner to recieve one.