The G Man

Coupe or sedan, it arent no BMW, but its a good copy cat of something, thats for sure.

Gojirra99

I don't know whether it's the coupe or sedan that rominl drove, but just saying genesis can mean it's the coupe or the sedan or both, so maybe you shouldn't jump to conclusions either

LexFather

Yeh, you are wrong about the LS. Unlike Hyundai, Lexus invested over 1 billion dollars in the 1980s to create the F-1 program for the LS. It was designed as a Lexus from day ONE. It debuted as a Lexus in Europe, Asia, America as a LS from day one. Only in Japan was it rebadged a Toyota.

I am going to be honest don't come across as a Hyundai fanboy and you are here only to promote Hyundai. I love what they have done but they still have a long way to go. I truly understand why some people might not like it for a multitude of reasons.

I don't think you or G man are going to agree here.

LexFather

Yeh, you are wrong about the LS. Unlike Hyundai, Lexus invested over 1 billion dollars in the 1980s to create the F-1 program for the LS. It was designed as a Lexus from day ONE. It debuted as a Lexus in Europe, Asia, America as a LS from day one. Only in Japan was it rebadged a Toyota.

I am going to be honest don't come across as a Hyundai fanboy and you are here only to promote Hyundai. I love what they have done but they still have a long way to go. I truly understand why some people might not like it for a multitude of reasons.

I don't think you or G man are going to agree here.

Gojirra99

He didn't say that in his last post, & as I said, I don't know whether he had driven the coupe, but yes you are still just assuming he has never driven it .

It's like when someone criticize BMW here, and someone would say, go drive it first, and it's the wrong assumption that everyone who doesn't like BMW's as much as he does must not have driven them ...

The G Man

I am not a big fan of BMW either, but to say the Genesis couple drives like a BMW is stretch thing a bit, much like those Hyundai commercials.

rominl

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yeah i have driven both the sedan and coupe and i personally don't think either of them resemble anything about bmw in terms of driving. the coupe of course drives better, but i still call it on the numb side. when i drove the sedan the coupe wasn't out yet, and i didn't really post about my coupe experience (coz' honestly, i wasn't too impressed) it's all good, i didn't say it clearly anyway

and fwiw, i actually give hyundai so much respect about their genesis (both sedan and coupe). whether i will own one of these i am not sure, but for sure they have done one heck of a job

mmarshall

Drive the Genesis Coupe 3.8L track model, and sample the steering, brakes, chassis, and drivetrain. You won't know it from a good BMW.

If you read my review of the 3.8 Track model, and its comparison to the Infiniti G37 coupe, I described all this in detail.

If you sample the 3.8 Track model and still don't agree, then fine.....opinions differ. To my senses, it was the closest non-BMW to a BMW I've seen yet.

The G Man

But shouldnt you compare the Hyundai track models to BMW's M series. Surely you are not going to tell me this Hyundai perform as well as the M3.

rominl

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don't worry, no offense taken at all. for the sedan i test drove the v8, i don't really care about the v6 version at all. on the sedan i didn't feel much handling advantage over the LS at all, and as i mentioned i think steering response is not as crisp as the LS. and just my opinion i think the gs is a lot more fun to drive

on the coupe, i don't know, i guess i had too much hope so i was more disappointed afterward? i mean it's not a sloppy machine, but personally i don't think it's anything close to bmw. i am not really comparing it to the m3 already (m3 far superior on handling and power imho). comparing it to the 335i i have driven, i feel the 335i steering is more responsive, tighter, and more precise as well. and the bmw also gives me a bit more "planted" feel. again it could be feeling, numbers on the track might show the genesis coupe might be close to what the 335 can do, but considering we mostly do normal street driving, i usually give "driving feel" more weight

in any case we should try to get back on track on what this thread is about. on the new cars hyundai coming out that competes with lexus or other luxury brands, like the equua, i think it's going to be very interesting. at that level, performance is on aspect but imho not a strong aspect. customers would look for different things in that segment, like comfort, smoothness, quietness, amenities, etc... and i think hyundai might be able to get quite some points there!

FKL

One area the budget-priced Genesis Coupe doesn't match the BMW is in overall fit/finish and build quality. Don't get me wrong, a nice car, but the overall heft of everything, from the doors to the door pulls, is obviously not in BMW-territory. There's a reason why a 328i costs so much more, and it's not just becuase it is from Germany.

The G Man

They are both street coupes that is modified for high performance, I say thats a fair comparision. If you start comparing pricing at $31K, then you should compare the Genesis to the Camry

YEH

Like the LS was a copycat of the S Class?

One could say styling-wise, the G35 is similar to the Tiburon (all 3 really don't share anything but the general coupe shape).

I'm well aware of all that (so Hyundai invested $550 billion for the Genesis, while not the LS investment, not bad for something not in the flagship class).

Nonetheless, the Celsior wasn't even the flagship of Toyota's fleet. Not only did the Century outclass it, but the Crown Majesta was rated (class-wise) above the Celsior.

No one is saying that the coupe drives like a BMW, however, a no. of auto reviewers have stated that the steering feel is like BMW (don't make it more than what it is to try to prove your point).

In fact, Jalopnik (no fan of Hyundai products) stated in its review that the GenCoupe's steering feel was even better than that for the 3 Series (which has become overboosted recently) and very similar to that of Porsche.

Now, I don't know if I completely buy that, but w/ accolades like that, one can't deny that Hyundai, at least, did a good job w/ the steering feel.

Och

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Care to elaborate a bit on this statement?

Trexus

I really doubt Hyundai invested half a trillion dollars on the Genesis. No company in the whole entire world has even had revenues that high. In 2008 Royal Dutch Shell had gross revenues of $458 billion and that was the highest revenue for any company in the whole entire world.

The Celsior was a rebadged LS. I don't think it was suppose to outclass the Toyota Century or the Majesta. Currently Japan now has Lexus which is the luxury division of Toyota.