superchan7

Lexus will not achieve the ultimate brand prestige until Toyota puts some serious styling and performance passion into its mainstream Lexus line (LFA doesn't count). The IS-F is a good first step, but dedicated sporting models have more effect.

The current-generation LS shows some of Lexus' unique style--some may not like it, but it definitely is much less bland than before, especially the exterior. If Toyota keeps this up and puts some spice in (sportiness and less conservative interiors), I think Lexus will start taking cake from Deutschland.

LexFather

Agreed. It's so ridiculous with the main intent to once again bring up Hyundai in another thread.

They have 1 okay luxury car and another not even here yet an neither breaks any new ground why the hell is anyone talking about Hyundai!?

I'm sorry I bumped this thread.

joe80

My main intent wasn't to bring up hyundai. read my post. it was all about Lexus.

and you are missing my point. Having luxury cars have nothing to do with what i've said. lol I just said Lexus' image isn't up there with MB/BMW just like hyundai isn't up there with toyota/honda. you get so defensive, but if you think about it, you should've actually agreed with my post.

and when I say Toyota/Honda, i wasn't trying to say Toyota-lexus/honda-acura. it just means the mainstream brand toyota/honda. so having luxury cars have nothing to do with my point because toyota and honda doesn't have luxury cars save it for toyota's land cruiser.

again, brand perception globally IN MY OPINION:

MB/BMW = toyota/honda
Lexus = hyundai

You don't have to agree with my opinion, but my analogy makes sense. actually in my honest opinion, the gap between toyota/honda vs. hyundai is getting closer in a much faster rate. Hyundai actually commends tremendous respect from countries like china/inda/latin america. they forgot all about how bad hyundai was 20 years ago.


by the way, i started a poll on other forums. Most of people don't think my analogy is ridiculous. Was I off topic? Maybe a little. Was my analogy that bad? hell no.

poll results
Hyundai is closer to Toyota/Honda (72%, 52 votes)
Lexus is closer to MB/BMW (25%, 18 votes)
both are equal. just slightly below the leaders (1%, 1 votes)
both are equal. Far below the leaders (1%, 1 votes)
(72 total votes)


If you can't get what i'm trying to say then I have nothing more to say.

IS-SV

Note: According to OP's opening post, this thread is not about brand perception globally, it's more about the price gap narrowing between German and Japanese brand vehicles.

STIG

I think the pervious gen E class is still a POS (not the AMGs). The new ones are just as POS as the pervious gen. S class, on the other hand, is very good!

STIG

You should be sorry. Your post about M3 vs Mustang made me cry a little.

but I have to say, I learned a lot from this.

M3=Mustang and Hyundai=Lexus. so if we can somehow make some relation between Hyundai and Ford? what about genesis coupe = Mustang, so Ford = Hyundia.

If we plug in that into the original equation being, M3 = mustang, we can conclude that M3 = lexus (lexus=hyundai, ford mustang=hyundai genesis) and that should give lexus a little more soul.

forget it, they are all POS for all i care.

INHOCJP

Wow, insightful post

STIG

Thanks. but I really like the AMGs.

Och

iTrader: (3)

To me, E class is the Camry of Luxury cars. Good car, but so boring, I'd rather get hit by a bus. The fact that there are seven of them on every block in NYC doesn't help either. I think the only reason people buy them is because they cant afford the S class

IS-SV

If this thread drifts OT much more, expect it to be closed.