Hs250
07-20-09 | 07:43 PM
#31
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Toyota has forgotten the fact that they were trying to distinguish between Toyota's and Lexus' design language. The HS looks like the love child of the Avensis and the Corolla.
I'm hoping that the 1-series competitor does not suffer the same fate as the HS. And if they manage to ruin my beautiful GS, I'll never forgive them
I'm hoping that the 1-series competitor does not suffer the same fate as the HS. And if they manage to ruin my beautiful GS, I'll never forgive them
07-20-09 | 07:57 PM
#32
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let's just say nobody will find this car to be "Beautiful", except maybe corolla owners...
this car is FAIL in my book also, no matter which way you cut it. They should just create ES hybrid like the Camry hybrid and call it a day.
this car is FAIL in my book also, no matter which way you cut it. They should just create ES hybrid like the Camry hybrid and call it a day.
07-20-09 | 08:01 PM
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I haven't driven the HS but I would consider it. It looks like it would be a very good city car: just enough power + pretty good handling + safety + hybrid drive to turn off the engine at a light.
If it really does handle the way autoblog describes it, I think it will be a bigger hit than many are expecting. There are a lot of people who really don't need power....
If it really does handle the way autoblog describes it, I think it will be a bigger hit than many are expecting. There are a lot of people who really don't need power....
After driving it in the hills surrounding Los Angeles, the handling gets a thumbs-up from us. The HS uses MacPherson struts up front (with all of its parts completely different to the Prius) and a double wishbone rear suspension. The steering rack is not mounted on rubber bushings to keep the line of feedback undulled, and the electric power steering is speed sensitive. If you get the Touring Package, the suspension is tuned for even sportier handling. And if the truth be known, the package added up to a car that we thought handled better than the rear-drive IS Convertible. In fact, we drove them back-to-back just to make sure. We're not saying it could outperform the IS 350C, but in terms of meeting our expectations for cornering, steering, and feedback – sheer handling enjoyment– the HS wins.
07-20-09 | 08:09 PM
#34
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I think Lexus priced the car right. Starting at $30K would be much too low with all the technology.
Whether the HS looks like a Corolla can be debated. Unfortunately, we can all agree that it's not good looking by any stretch of the imagination.
If I were running the show at Toyota, I would have Lexus come out with a sporty 2-seater hybrid version of the Prius. That would have given eco-friendly buyers another option and given Toyota a wider range of cars to sell.
I think people with cross shop the Prius and HS and decide if they want to pay the premium. A sporty 2 seater Prius would have introduced potential enthusiasts to more hybrid technology.
Whether the HS looks like a Corolla can be debated. Unfortunately, we can all agree that it's not good looking by any stretch of the imagination.
If I were running the show at Toyota, I would have Lexus come out with a sporty 2-seater hybrid version of the Prius. That would have given eco-friendly buyers another option and given Toyota a wider range of cars to sell.
I think people with cross shop the Prius and HS and decide if they want to pay the premium. A sporty 2 seater Prius would have introduced potential enthusiasts to more hybrid technology.
07-20-09 | 08:19 PM
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man. don't change the title. it's fun.
nothing like a heated discussion.
07-20-09 | 08:19 PM
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Now check Acura ZDX comments. 
The fact is a lot of people (and I mean A LOT) on the internet
1. Hate Lexus
2. Don't read (so they think its based on the Corolla and have no idea what an Avensis is, goes to next point)
3. Can't point Germany on a map
4. Automatically say ANY Lexus looks like a Toyota so this car stood no chance with those people
5. Hate hybrids
All the while Lexus continues to rack up awards, sales and do well. These people wouldn't buy a Lexus ANYWAY.
07-20-09 | 08:39 PM
#38
The HS250h will sell regardless what the internet trolls and haters say and that's the bottom line.
07-20-09 | 08:41 PM
#39
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Like it or hate, think it's worth the price or not... whatever. But it DOES look an awful lot like a Corolla, as evidenced by the OP's pictures. To those who reacted so violently against that evidence, even stooping to personal attacks on the OP, I can only say that you must be blind sheep Lexus fanboys! *inside joke alert*
*inside joke alert*
07-20-09 | 08:52 PM
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Wow, is this how things have to play out on CHIT CHAT..., jeezzzzzzzzzzz
But not to single out CL, this isn't unusual on the internet is it.
So the HS is ugly, I think it's well designed for its intended market.
But not to single out CL, this isn't unusual on the internet is it.
So the HS is ugly, I think it's well designed for its intended market.
07-20-09 | 08:55 PM
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this is where all the misunderstanding lies.
people are NOT saying the HS is based on the corolla.
they are merely saying it LOOKS like a corolla.
look. overlayed. near exact match nose angle, A and C pillar, and roof line, and butt.
proportionally, only the wheel bases are different.
If any of you can't see this, then i have a good optometrist friend I'd like to recommend.
frankly, the interior is overkill. semi-aniline leather...... which is not even available for the IS or GS...
boooooo
Last edited by dunnojack; 07-20-09 at 09:04 PM.
07-20-09 | 09:11 PM
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After seeing it in person the I don't think it look likes a corolla very much at all. But if you want to look at the car in 2 dimensions all the time than the internet is the place to go. Maybe have a carboard cut out pic of the car stuck to the side so you can't see it in different angles.
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07-20-09 | 09:20 PM
#43
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frankly, the interior is overkill. semi-aniline leather...... which is not even available for the IS or GS...
as for the overlay, yes both have an A and C pillar... LOL
the entire roofline is different, headlights different, and trunk is obviously different.
07-20-09 | 09:27 PM
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Besides both having lower body cladding, they are in different shapes. Headlights different, lower facia different, grill different
besides proportions, the cars dont look similar
Last edited by RXSF; 07-20-09 at 10:15 PM.