Just don't understand why Camry can outsell Accord.
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Aura
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So the fact that the Camry accounts for more than a quarter of ALL midsize sedan sales so far, YTD, is pretty insane.
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Honda has the highest customer loyalty in the industry. Toyota has the best reputation for reliability in the industry. Perhaps, in the long run, people are more interested in reliability. (although, there is no evidence that proves one, more reliable than the other) The Accord, while no means a sports sedan, does have a slight sporty character and excellent steering feel, yet, still has an element of luxury that rivals the Camry. The Camry is a very softly sprung car with no sporting pretensions, whatsoever. IMO, the Accord is much more structurally solid than the Camry, and stays solid year after year. The Camry seems to get "loose" after about 60k. There are benefits and drawback to both cars. Maybe one reason the Camry sells better is because the Camry buyer is buying a car built by the same company that builds Lexus, and, in fact, is built on the very same chassis as the ES350.
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I'm more impressed by seeing the Prius accounting for 50% of all hybrid sales.
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Well, lets consider fleet sales, and also I believe there are more Toyota dealers than there are Honda dealers. Also, Honda dealers are usually stubborn and arent willing to negotiate as much.
Overall I think Accord is a better built car, and generally uses better materials. But in the loaded versions of Accord vs Camry, the leather in the Camry is almost Lexus grade, while the leather in Accord is cheap and ugly, with awful grain and wears out fast.
Overall I think Accord is a better built car, and generally uses better materials. But in the loaded versions of Accord vs Camry, the leather in the Camry is almost Lexus grade, while the leather in Accord is cheap and ugly, with awful grain and wears out fast.
You brought up a very good point. Toyota sells Camry's to rental car companies at a DEEP discount. Honda doesn't discount its cars to be put in rental fleets, if you want Honda in your rental fleet, you have to buy at full price. That is why there are a zillion Camry's in rental fleets and only a very few Accords.
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I think was Phil is saying is there are those that will cross shop and buy the Euro Accord (TSX) over the USDM Accord hurting Accord sales b/c the two cars prices can be the same. A TSX can be had under 30k like an Accord EX V-6.
This is a really good point no one has mentioned yet.
It does seem people love the fact their Camry is related to a Lexus. The Lexus "halo" glows down onto the Camry. Very good observation!
Do u have a link to support what you are saying?
Look at this. Altima is the rental king.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...domestics.html
Honda has the highest customer loyalty in the industry. Toyota has the best reputation for reliability in the industry. Perhaps, in the long run, people are more interested in reliability. (although, there is no evidence that proves one, more reliable than the other) The Accord, while no means a sports sedan, does have a slight sporty character and excellent steering feel, yet, still has an element of luxury that rivals the Camry. The Camry is a very softly sprung car with no sporting pretensions, whatsoever. IMO, the Accord is much more structurally solid than the Camry, and stays solid year after year. The Camry seems to get "loose" after about 60k. There are benefits and drawback to both cars. Maybe one reason the Camry sells better is because the Camry buyer is buying a car built by the same company that builds Lexus, and, in fact, is built on the very same chassis as the ES350.
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You brought up a very good point. Toyota sells Camry's to rental car companies at a DEEP discount. Honda doesn't discount its cars to be put in rental fleets, if you want Honda in your rental fleet, you have to buy at full price. That is why there are a zillion Camry's in rental fleets and only a very few Accords.
Look at this. Altima is the rental king.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...domestics.html
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So in summary the Lexus/Camry relationship helps to sell Camrys. I think it is a great point!
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That's really a plus for Camry if you ask me.
On the other hand with the Accord owners:
Accord owner: Hey you know that my car shares "components" with the Acura TL right?
Accord owner's friend: Oh you mean the one with the ugly beak?
Accord owner: ...
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I think was Phil is saying is there are those that will cross shop and buy the Euro Accord (TSX) over the USDM Accord hurting Accord sales b/c the two cars prices can be the same. A TSX can be had under 30k like an Accord EX V-6.
This is a really good point no one has mentioned yet.
It does seem people love the fact their Camry is related to a Lexus. The Lexus "halo" glows down onto the Camry. Very good observation!
Do u have a link to support what you are saying?
Look at this. Altima is the rental king.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...domestics.html
This is a really good point no one has mentioned yet.
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Do u have a link to support what you are saying?
Look at this. Altima is the rental king.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...domestics.html
So are you saying that honda sharing the same platform as Acura is bad, but Toyota sharing the same platform as Lexus is good?
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Well, I think the Camry is pretty much unmodified from the ES350's platform/chassis. They even share the exact same suspension components and wheelbase. Structurally, they are identical. Although the TL and Accord are built on the same platform, the TL is, in fact, a modified Accord platform. The suspension components are all different. The Accords Wheelbase is about 1" longer than the TL. The two cars, really, couldn't be any different, yet they are so similar.
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