Car and Driver latest midsize luxury sport sedan comparison and BMW didn't win, OMG
#16
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i think that's turbocharged? i know the web page says supercharged also... maybe i'm wrong. or you're both wrong.
#18
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I just realized this was CAr & driver magazine we were talking about. This is a big shock. I swore them off a while back because I am tired of the bias
#19
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For a model that's been out since the end of 2004, that's a big accomplishment for the A6. I've always liked that car and the new V6 is a brute. I had the chance to race it around at Hollywood Park a few months ago- was very impressed.
Surprised they even bothered with the M45. That car is to be replaced very shortly.
Lastly, I've always held C&D high. Maybe it's just me, but their opinions and tastes have matched my own more than any other magazine over the years. I find the most mistakes at Motor Trend.
Surprised they even bothered with the M45. That car is to be replaced very shortly.
Lastly, I've always held C&D high. Maybe it's just me, but their opinions and tastes have matched my own more than any other magazine over the years. I find the most mistakes at Motor Trend.
#21
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Audi's steering is design to be light at parking lot speed, once you get up to 20 MPH, it starts to tighen up. On the highway, it feels as tight as the 5 series.
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#28
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Nice pickup for the A6
Can't believe I am the first person to bring this up on a Lexus forum, but I wonder why the GS wasn't included? If the M was, I would imagine that the GS should have been as well, not to mention that a fully loaded GS 460 costs less than their 535i and a GS 350 would have been around $10K less. They could have added the Genesis too.
I'm surprised to see the E in last place, to be honest. The car has gotten so much positive press and the E550 was just ranked above the 550i and XF a few weeks ago. While 268 hp is at the back of it's class, it's also hardly lacking or desperate. Maybe in comparison to the FI 6 cylinders in the Audi and BMW, but still not a bad engine.
I really never cared much for the interior of the XF so I will be interested to see what kind of problems they had with the shifter. I would have expected it to do better than a 4th place rating, but the car sorely needs to drop one or two of it's lower V8s and replace them with a strong V6. That V8 is one of the oldest basic engine designs in the luxury realm.
Nice finish for the M45 over the Mercedes and Jaguar- I have always loved the M. While BMW's can get astronomically expensive, I would like to see what options they tacked on to the 535i to get the price THAT high.
Like I said above, nice win for the A6. I have seen a few of them around and the new changes are nice, though I really dislike their black/saddle two tone leather design theme. It looks like a hack job done by some tuner as a show car, not a proper luxury car interior designed from Audi. The rest of it is nice, and considering the shortcomings of the E and the Jag, the age of the M, and the price of the BMW, I am not surprised that it won.
Can't believe I am the first person to bring this up on a Lexus forum, but I wonder why the GS wasn't included? If the M was, I would imagine that the GS should have been as well, not to mention that a fully loaded GS 460 costs less than their 535i and a GS 350 would have been around $10K less. They could have added the Genesis too.
I'm surprised to see the E in last place, to be honest. The car has gotten so much positive press and the E550 was just ranked above the 550i and XF a few weeks ago. While 268 hp is at the back of it's class, it's also hardly lacking or desperate. Maybe in comparison to the FI 6 cylinders in the Audi and BMW, but still not a bad engine.
I really never cared much for the interior of the XF so I will be interested to see what kind of problems they had with the shifter. I would have expected it to do better than a 4th place rating, but the car sorely needs to drop one or two of it's lower V8s and replace them with a strong V6. That V8 is one of the oldest basic engine designs in the luxury realm.
Nice finish for the M45 over the Mercedes and Jaguar- I have always loved the M. While BMW's can get astronomically expensive, I would like to see what options they tacked on to the 535i to get the price THAT high.
Like I said above, nice win for the A6. I have seen a few of them around and the new changes are nice, though I really dislike their black/saddle two tone leather design theme. It looks like a hack job done by some tuner as a show car, not a proper luxury car interior designed from Audi. The rest of it is nice, and considering the shortcomings of the E and the Jag, the age of the M, and the price of the BMW, I am not surprised that it won.
#29
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the first thought I had when reading this was.......
wow, C&D is full of shiz.
3 writers/editors compromised and came out with a ranking of 5 cars.
Big whoop. They're just 3 people
The GS would've surely gotten last place.
it has the oldest tech, the boat-iest ride. so it doesn't qualify to be a "sport sedan" by C&D standards.
wow, C&D is full of shiz.
3 writers/editors compromised and came out with a ranking of 5 cars.
Big whoop. They're just 3 people
Nice pickup for the A6
Can't believe I am the first person to bring this up on a Lexus forum, but I wonder why the GS wasn't included? If the M was, I would imagine that the GS should have been as well, not to mention that a fully loaded GS 460 costs less than their 535i and a GS 350 would have been around $10K less. They could have added the Genesis too.
Can't believe I am the first person to bring this up on a Lexus forum, but I wonder why the GS wasn't included? If the M was, I would imagine that the GS should have been as well, not to mention that a fully loaded GS 460 costs less than their 535i and a GS 350 would have been around $10K less. They could have added the Genesis too.
The GS would've surely gotten last place.
it has the oldest tech, the boat-iest ride. so it doesn't qualify to be a "sport sedan" by C&D standards.
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It would have just been nice to see their comments on the car.