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Old 08-23-09, 09:10 AM
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a 335i twin turbo is already incredibly fast and powerful. if you need (want) more power, get an M3.
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Old 08-23-09, 10:11 AM
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The small number of sales BMW loses because of the change will not be significant enough to even register as a blip in their sales statistics.
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Old 08-23-09, 12:10 PM
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the conflict between consumer desires for performance and good fuel economy and regulatory laws around both mean that cars necessarily get more and more complex and 'unfathomable' by almost all but the manufacturer and increasingly well trained dealer service personnel.

this will continue and will slowly kill off not only 3rd party mods, but small 3rd party service shops too which may get replaced with independent 'chains' that shell out for expensive training and equipment.
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Old 08-23-09, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JDMUSCLE
BMW doesnt seem to realize that the increase in sales these days are due to the modability of these cars and a lot of yound buyers are putting up the cash.... if they limit them from modding the cars ... could have a adverse effect on the tuner market.. ultimately a decrease in sales... may be they will have few warranty claims.. but as a manufacturer who is all about performance should not be a hypocrite ... any which way thier cars fail in stock/brand new form... maybe they ought to pay more attention to making reliable cars first before they go knocking the wall down on the tuners!!
Disagree, most BMWs are leased, most are never touched and simply returned at the end of the lease. I do agree the 335 is appealing to those that want to mod or want a turbo.
 
Old 08-23-09, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
I do agree the 335 is appealing to those that want to mod or want a turbo.
Mike, the 335 already comes with two turbos from the factory. I've posted a number of times about how I think it is a better all-around value than an M3.
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Old 08-23-09, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Mike, the 335 already comes with two turbos from the factory. I've posted a number of times about how I think it is a better all-around value than an M3.
I know I'm saying people that want a factory turbo in a luxury car can buy a BMW and be very happy with it.
 
Old 08-24-09, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Mike, the 335 already comes with two turbos from the factory. I've posted a number of times about how I think it is a better all-around value than an M3.
have seen videos that show a Vishnu tuned 335 smoke a stock M3
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Originally Posted by I8ABMR
have seen videos that show a Vishnu tuned 335 smoke a stock M3
You need to see a JB3 equipped car especially in xdrive form. Say bye bye Nissan GTR
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IMO, the trend already started years ago. Most of the high performance premium cars (including the luxury coupes and sedans) are plenty fast as delivered from the factory. So most of the customization/mods have been focused on wheels/tires/suspension which are mostly visual changes to the high performance look.
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Originally Posted by DASHOCKER
You need to see a JB3 equipped car especially in xdrive form. Say bye bye Nissan GTR
You mean a stock GT-R. Do the same thing to the GT-R (higher boost and race gas) and the 335 will be sucking up fumes. Throw a corner in there and it's really bye bye 335.
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Originally Posted by lobuxracer
You mean a stock GT-R. Do the same thing to the GT-R (higher boost and race gas) and the 335 will be sucking up fumes. Throw a corner in there and it's really bye bye 335.

Is there any such thing as traditional "race gas" anymore? Most forms of racing have either converted, or are in the process of converting, to alcohol, nitro, E85, or other alternative fuels for safety reasons.....straight gas is considered too volatile and dangerous.

When I flew piston-powered aircraft some years ago, 100 Octane low-lead Avgas was still available (dyed a light blue to help detect water bubbles in the aircraft's fuel tanks...you always checked the tanks with a fuel drainer-**** before a flight). But even that, as I understand it, is being phased out for new grades.

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Old 08-24-09, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by lobuxracer
You mean a stock GT-R. Do the same thing to the GT-R (higher boost and race gas) and the 335 will be sucking up fumes. Throw a corner in there and it's really bye bye 335.
I agree hell you could add magical UFO race gas and every chip in the world and the GT-R will hand it its ***. Hell a R34, 33, would too. The GT-R simply defies physics and its a purpose built sports car ala NSX or Supra.....

A 335 can be made fast, yeah it'll handle but its a 3 series, period.
 
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