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Old 08-28-09, 11:27 PM
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can you blame them. Sales are historically low and CA is becoming a harsh economic environment so the facility will get the axe
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Yes, loss of jobs is really tough in this recession especially. UAW really has no place here.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
and highest corporate tax, and around the highest sales tax, and the most harsh environmental and other regulatory rules...

nevada is working hard to lure business away too... check this out!
http://www.move2vegas.biz/media_09_t...ybusiness.html
This is true that California has one of the highest state corporate tax rates and no incentives for manufacturers to stay or come to California. Once upon a time not too long ago there was a CA credit called MIC (manufacturer's investment credit) and now it has gone away. I've seen so many manufacturing companies leave or stop doing business in California it's not even funny.

It is true that Nevada has no state personal or corporate income tax which is great and less paperwork. Florida, Texas, Wyoming, Washington state and a few states don't have state income tax for personal or corporate. Oregon has no sales tax and a few other states as well.

If I was Governor Schwarzenegger forget about the state garage sale. That's peanuts and pennies on the dollar. Keep Toyota in California and lure big businesses to come to California by offering tax incentives and state subsidies. By doing that it will provide jobs. People will be working and paying personal income tax and people will be spending and paying sales tax. Also since we are all going "Green" give tax breaks to these companies.
It's simply as that. California is the most populated state in the Union. WTF?

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Old 08-29-09, 11:01 AM
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For California there are a few of the Fortune Global 500 located here:

1. Chevron - San Ramon, CA
2. Hewlett-Packard - Palo Alto, CA
3. McKesson - San Francisco, CA
4. Wells Fargo - San Francisco, CA
5. Intel - Santa Clara, CA
6. Safeway - Pleasanton, CA

As one can see most of the big boys are in northern California. I wonder why?

New York has most of the big corporations but Texas has now taken the lead as the location for most of the Fortune Global 500.

1. ExxonMobil - Irving, TX
2. ConocoPhillips - Houston, TX
3. AT&T - Dallas, TX
4. Valero Energy - San Antonio, TX
5. Marathon Oil - Houston, TX
6. Dell - Round Rock, TX

There are lots more big corporations in Texas to list out...
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Originally Posted by Trexus
For California there are a few of the Fortune Global 500 located here:

1. Chevron - San Ramon, CA
2. Hewlett-Packard - Palo Alto, CA
3. McKesson - San Francisco, CA
4. Wells Fargo - San Francisco, CA
5. Intel - Santa Clara, CA
6. Safeway - Pleasanton, CA
You forgot Cisco and Google even though they aren't on that Fortune list
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Originally Posted by nthach
You forgot Cisco and Google even though they aren't on that Fortune list
Yes, and don't forget that 1/3 of the entire US venture capital goes straight into the Bay Area of Northern California, no other region or state evens come close to that amount. Hi-tech/Silicon Valley is an interesting business machine watched around the world.

But back on topic, it looks like there won't be anymore UAW car factories here, I still remember the old Ford factory in Milpitas, CA.
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Originally Posted by Trexus
This is true that California has one of the highest state corporate tax rates and no incentives for manufacturers to stay or come to California. Once upon a time not too long ago there was a CA credit called MIC (manufacturer's investment credit) and now it has gone away. I've seen so many manufacturing companies leave or stop doing business in California it's not even funny.

It is true that Nevada has no state personal or corporate income tax which is great and less paperwork. Florida, Texas, Wyoming, Washington state and a few states don't have state income tax for personal or corporate. Oregon has no sales tax and a few other states as well.

If I was Governor Schwarzenegger forget about the state gargage sale. That's peanuts and pennies on the dollar. Keep Toyota in California and lure big businesses to come to California by offering tax incentives and state subsidies. By doing that it will provide jobs. People will be working and paying personal income tax and people will be spending and paying sales tax. Also since we are all going "Green" give tax breaks to these companies.
It's simply as that. California is the most populated state in the Union. WTF?
excellent post. maybe the gov wants to do that but knows he couldn't get it through the legislature.
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Old 08-29-09, 08:38 PM
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Another sad piece to this tale is that they actually did a great job building vehicles there.

I recently bought our son an 09 Vibe AWD. What a great car. With all the GM deals I got the thing for $18000 and it had everything except for the sun roof and sub woofer package.

Combine loss of utilization due to brain dead GM not rebadging the vibe as a Chevy, the well stated CA and Union aspects and the Toyota finance folks had an easy decision to ditch the facility.
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Old 08-29-09, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by nthach
You forgot Cisco and Google even though they aren't on that Fortune list
Opps I missed them. They are on the Fortune list but there's quite a few big companies in California but most are located in northern California. Not sure why? SoCal is dead...

Cisco - San Jose
Google - Mountain View
Yahoo - Sunnyvale
Oracle - Redwood City
Genentech - South San Francisco
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Originally Posted by Trexus
Opps I missed them. They are on the Fortune list but there's quite a few big companies in California but most are located in northern California. Not sure why? SoCal is dead...

Cisco - San Jose
Google - Mountain View
Yahoo - Sunnyvale
Oracle - Redwood City
Genentech - South San Francisco
Yes, all high tech companies headquartered in tech capital.

So Cal must have a large number of smaller companies.
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Can things look worse for CA???? Does anyone know of any other state that is struggling as bad as CA??
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Originally Posted by I8ABMR
Can things look worse for CA???? Does anyone know of any other state that is struggling as bad as CA??
In terms of state government financial situation, CA is the worst one, but I read a few other state governments have severe financial problems too.
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Old 09-02-09, 09:58 AM
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Scratch Genentech form the list as they are owned by Roche Holdings of Switzerland.
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Old 09-02-09, 10:13 AM
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Sad indeed for me personally as I worked there one summer in the mid 80's with my aunt who consulted the management integration of Toyota and GM... I do remember that the Union was bitterly opposed to Toyota's philosophies at the time.. I believed or hoped that the culture had changed..
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