Report: VW To Kill Porsche Panamera, Cayenne
09-01-09, 06:47 AM
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How does it fail? Most reviews have commented on the superb handling given the high weight factor of this machine. A modern and heavy four-door sports sedan will possibly never really drive and handle the same was a modern two-door coupe does.
I'm curious. Have you drive the Panamera? How do you know it doesn't drive like a real Porsche.
09-01-09, 08:02 AM
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If this is really true, fine with me.
I don't doubt that the Panamera drives very well, considering the huge engineering costs and manufacturing costs, no surprise at all. The Cayene is just lame.
The "fake" styling of both of these vehicles makes no sense to me. I've owned several Porsches but have no interest in these 2 vehicles.
I don't doubt that the Panamera drives very well, considering the huge engineering costs and manufacturing costs, no surprise at all. The Cayene is just lame.
The "fake" styling of both of these vehicles makes no sense to me. I've owned several Porsches but have no interest in these 2 vehicles.
09-01-09, 08:06 AM
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How does it fail? Most reviews have commented on the superb handling given the high weight factor of this machine. A modern and heavy four-door sports sedan will possibly never really drive and handle the same was a modern two-door coupe does.
I'm curious. Have you drive the Panamera? How do you know it doesn't drive like a real Porsche.
I'm curious. Have you drive the Panamera? How do you know it doesn't drive like a real Porsche.
A speedboat is sportier than a cruise ship...
Now, don't get me wrong. I believe Porsche can make the Panamera handle like crazy (as proven by driving reviews by many automotive sources and magazines). But does it handle as well as any of their coupes in comparison? I don't think so.
09-01-09, 08:31 AM
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This entire thing has been like watching two eight year old girls fight on the playground.
Just when you think that the upper brass of ANY company should be mature and level headed, VW goes and pulls a stunt like this. I guess that considering the course of action over the last few months this shouldn't surprise anyone. Porsche is now being treated like the red headed step child...
Just when you think that the upper brass of ANY company should be mature and level headed, VW goes and pulls a stunt like this. I guess that considering the course of action over the last few months this shouldn't surprise anyone. Porsche is now being treated like the red headed step child...
09-01-09, 02:07 PM
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I agree that dumping the Cayenne is probably a mistake.
Yeah, I was one of those who thought the Cayenne, from a sports-car company, was an abomination when Porsche developed it. But, like with BMW X3 and X5, there is no denying its sales sucess, despite its high price (loaded Cayenne turbo, like the 911 turbo, can well over 100K). I can understand VW's (possible) concern at the Cayenne eating into upper-level Touraeg sales as a reason for canning it, but the Touraeg is actually more of a car-based, hard-core off-roader (one of the few car-based, unibody vehicles that are). The Cayenne, by contrast, will hold its own off-road to an extent, but is clearly more of a high-performance, Porsche-like (of course
) SUV. So, as I see it, the two don't impact on each other's sales.
Yeah, I was one of those who thought the Cayenne, from a sports-car company, was an abomination when Porsche developed it. But, like with BMW X3 and X5, there is no denying its sales sucess, despite its high price (loaded Cayenne turbo, like the 911 turbo, can well over 100K). I can understand VW's (possible) concern at the Cayenne eating into upper-level Touraeg sales as a reason for canning it, but the Touraeg is actually more of a car-based, hard-core off-roader (one of the few car-based, unibody vehicles that are). The Cayenne, by contrast, will hold its own off-road to an extent, but is clearly more of a high-performance, Porsche-like (of course
) SUV. So, as I see it, the two don't impact on each other's sales.
09-01-09, 04:20 PM
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Interesting that both Cayenne and Toureg sales are very weak. Both are grossly overweight and unattractive. What used to be a lucrative segment for both companies is now fading beyond the rate that can be blamed on the recession.
09-01-09, 04:25 PM
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The Cayenne & Toureg were jointly developed by VW & Porsche sharing the same platform. The base Cayenne comes with a VW V-6. The Cayenne is extremely capable offroad with tire selection the biggest potential weakpoint. I have driven every model of Cayenne on Autocross courses & the handling capabilites there are astonding. The Toureg drives very similar in normal street driving. The Cayenne was made because 1 out of every 5 Porsche owners also owns a SUV
09-01-09, 04:33 PM
#26
What does it fail at, looking like a Porsche or driving like a Porsche?
Do you really mean it fails at being a 911?
That would be true since it's not a 911 but otherwise it looks like a Porsche family member and as for how it drives, you can't have an opinion on something you don't know about.
So how does it fail at being a Porsche when the Porsche company built it?
09-01-09, 04:48 PM
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That's a lot of questions, not sure what for.
Yes it looks somewhat like a Porsche, except that it's ugly. The fake Porsche styling does not work well with an oversized front-engined car or SUV, that's the short answer. The basic and classic shapes of the 911/Boxster/Caymen cars are dictated by the configurations (rear-engined, mid-engined), not to mention they are not overweight/oversized.
Yes it looks somewhat like a Porsche, except that it's ugly. The fake Porsche styling does not work well with an oversized front-engined car or SUV, that's the short answer. The basic and classic shapes of the 911/Boxster/Caymen cars are dictated by the configurations (rear-engined, mid-engined), not to mention they are not overweight/oversized.
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09-01-09, 05:58 PM
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That's a lot of questions, not sure what for.
Yes it looks somewhat like a Porsche, except that it's ugly. The fake Porsche styling does not work well with an oversized front-engined car or SUV, that's the short answer. The basic and classic shapes of the 911/Boxster/Caymen cars are dictated by the configurations (rear-engined, mid-engined), not to mention they are not overweight/oversized.
Yes it looks somewhat like a Porsche, except that it's ugly. The fake Porsche styling does not work well with an oversized front-engined car or SUV, that's the short answer. The basic and classic shapes of the 911/Boxster/Caymen cars are dictated by the configurations (rear-engined, mid-engined), not to mention they are not overweight/oversized.
09-01-09, 08:04 PM
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That's a lot of questions, not sure what for.
Yes it looks somewhat like a Porsche, except that it's ugly. The fake Porsche styling does not work well with an oversized front-engined car or SUV, that's the short answer. The basic and classic shapes of the 911/Boxster/Caymen cars are dictated by the configurations (rear-engined, mid-engined), not to mention they are not overweight/oversized.
Yes it looks somewhat like a Porsche, except that it's ugly. The fake Porsche styling does not work well with an oversized front-engined car or SUV, that's the short answer. The basic and classic shapes of the 911/Boxster/Caymen cars are dictated by the configurations (rear-engined, mid-engined), not to mention they are not overweight/oversized.
09-01-09, 08:10 PM
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Driving the 2011 Porsche Cayenne Hybrid, 2010 Cayenne 3.0 TDI
Green Car Advisor in Chief John O'Dell had a chance to drive the 2011 Porsche Cayenne Hybrid and a European-spec 2010 Porsche Cayenne 3.0 TDI back to back in Southern California last week.
It was a revealing experience, as the Cayenne Hybrid is actually the quicker of these two, with a claimed 0-to-60-mph time of 6.5 seconds. It's also more fuel-efficient with an estimated 27-mpg combined fuel economy rating. To review, the hybrid Cayenne uses a 333-hp 3.0-liter supercharged V6 adapted from the Audi S4, an eight-speed automatic transmission, and a 288-volt Ni-MH battery pack powering a 38-kW electric motor. John says the hybrid system feels like a more powerful, and smarter, version of Honda's Integrated Motor Assist (IMA) system.
The downside is that the Porsche Cayenne Hybrid will probably cost about $70K when it arrives in the U.S. next spring. A diesel Cayenne would be much cheaper, John notes, but Porsche still hasn't made a decision to import it here. Naturally, that would necessitate a whole bunch of added emissions equipment.
The Cayenne 3.0 TDI is also slower (8.5 seconds to 60) and less efficient (24 mpg), but it would be John's pick of these two, given the projected $15K savings.
Green Car Advisor in Chief John O'Dell had a chance to drive the 2011 Porsche Cayenne Hybrid and a European-spec 2010 Porsche Cayenne 3.0 TDI back to back in Southern California last week.
It was a revealing experience, as the Cayenne Hybrid is actually the quicker of these two, with a claimed 0-to-60-mph time of 6.5 seconds. It's also more fuel-efficient with an estimated 27-mpg combined fuel economy rating. To review, the hybrid Cayenne uses a 333-hp 3.0-liter supercharged V6 adapted from the Audi S4, an eight-speed automatic transmission, and a 288-volt Ni-MH battery pack powering a 38-kW electric motor. John says the hybrid system feels like a more powerful, and smarter, version of Honda's Integrated Motor Assist (IMA) system.
The downside is that the Porsche Cayenne Hybrid will probably cost about $70K when it arrives in the U.S. next spring. A diesel Cayenne would be much cheaper, John notes, but Porsche still hasn't made a decision to import it here. Naturally, that would necessitate a whole bunch of added emissions equipment.
The Cayenne 3.0 TDI is also slower (8.5 seconds to 60) and less efficient (24 mpg), but it would be John's pick of these two, given the projected $15K savings.