View Poll Results: Lexus and the "F" line
Just leave it at the IS-F
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11.48%
I have big balls!!!
8
13.11%
Only the cars should have a "F"
19
31.15%
All Lexus vehicles should have a "F" version
19
31.15%
You can choose more than one, I put that here so u would read that
3
4.92%
Hybrids ftw!!!
5
8.20%
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1SICKLBLOG: Why the "F" lineup expansion is a no brainer & I want my balls back
09-14-09, 07:46 AM
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The F line needs to establish a racing pedigree ala Caddy V, AMG, M, RS before it. Enthusiasts who flock to such vehicles want a race car for the streets. What is there to laud about F a few magazine articles? Get this car in ALMS and take on the Rahal M3 GTR..
09-14-09, 08:21 AM
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^^ For once I'd actually agree with dashocker, but at the end of the day, it comes down to marketing because none of those guys, bar the Caddy do any actual racing anymore. If you are gonna say that they inherit it from the parent's companies racing pedigree, then Toyota has that in spades.
I think only the sports sedans (IS, GS) and coupes (SC, hopefully someday an entry level -think Z4, SLK- roadster) and obviously the flagship LF A ought to be truly full blown F cars. ES....waste of time... nobody biys an ES looking to be sporty. Every thing else, an "F-sport" model should suffice, and would actually be a pretty good idea.
Lexus, please don't waste time and do an RX F or whatever. the X5/6M and Cayenne are simply retarded. The only vehicle than can pull that concept off nicely is the RR sport, and that thing chugs fuel like if it was a renewable resource.
C'mon Lexus, step up to the plate.
I think only the sports sedans (IS, GS) and coupes (SC, hopefully someday an entry level -think Z4, SLK- roadster) and obviously the flagship LF A ought to be truly full blown F cars. ES....waste of time... nobody biys an ES looking to be sporty. Every thing else, an "F-sport" model should suffice, and would actually be a pretty good idea.
Lexus, please don't waste time and do an RX F or whatever. the X5/6M and Cayenne are simply retarded. The only vehicle than can pull that concept off nicely is the RR sport, and that thing chugs fuel like if it was a renewable resource.
C'mon Lexus, step up to the plate.
09-14-09, 08:44 AM
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Thing is, its clear the IS-F hasn't been raced and we got reports it was selling as well as the M3....Most of these owners and prospective buyers of all these cars don't watch or care and the Lexus owner even will be less into racing.
The SC 430 has raced in SuperGT for nearly a decade and well, it doesn't matter.
So has the IS350 been raced in SuperGT
The GS 450h has been raced and it doesn't matter.
Track performance doesn't equate to sales in this segment, though it COULD help. Big "Could" though.
Lexus has won its Rolex Grand Am series and well, it doesn't matter to sales
Team Lexus won a few races and well, it didn't matter to sales
Its clear today its not about racing, more so image. That is why BMW will sell 100,000 M3s this go round. That is why manu-matics, automatics are offered and not manuals only. FOR SALES. Its the reason we get a 5000 lbs X6 and X5 M. For sales.
Since people are buying AMG/RS/M cars irregardless of racing heritage or success, it only makes sense for Lexus to join in.
The SC 430 has raced in SuperGT for nearly a decade and well, it doesn't matter.
So has the IS350 been raced in SuperGT
The GS 450h has been raced and it doesn't matter.
Track performance doesn't equate to sales in this segment, though it COULD help. Big "Could" though.
Lexus has won its Rolex Grand Am series and well, it doesn't matter to sales
Team Lexus won a few races and well, it didn't matter to sales
Its clear today its not about racing, more so image. That is why BMW will sell 100,000 M3s this go round. That is why manu-matics, automatics are offered and not manuals only. FOR SALES. Its the reason we get a 5000 lbs X6 and X5 M. For sales.
Since people are buying AMG/RS/M cars irregardless of racing heritage or success, it only makes sense for Lexus to join in.
09-14-09, 11:27 AM
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I agree with almost everything you said SICK, except the following:
Just to clarify, the LF-A project has been a MASSIVE undertaking for Toyota. Billions of dollars spend in R&D, 6 years now of development. The only other Lexus model I can think of that took this much money and this long is the original LS400.
Toyota's top engineers from every corner and division of the company have worked on the LF-A at one point or another. Toyota's F1 team has been directly involved with the development of the LF-A.
A project such as the LF-A simply would not be possible if it was some small skunkworks development.
Although the IS-F was initially a skunkworks car, this is both good and bad. Good that it is a focused car, bad that it has quite a few rough edges. Since IS-F sales have been good, and now that the IS-F has full backing from Toyota instead of being a skunkworks-only project, we have things such as an LSD being added to the IS-F, and the rumored "IS F R" project.
As my sig states, Akio Toyoda doesn't like figures or documents. Akio is not a bean counter, and he will be running Toyota for the next 4-5 years. You can be sure that the F cars will remain very focused. Just like in the past, the Toyoda family is more involved in the company right now.
I will also say that Lexus should only make F-versions of cars, and the sportiest cars at that. I say there should definitely be no HS-F, RX-F, or anything like that. At the very most, maybe an LS-F, but even then is stretching it.
I would keep the lineup at a GS-F, IS-F, LF-A, SC-F (and possibly LS-F). Also Lexus definitely needs to have F-versions of a GS sedan and coupe, as well as an IS-F coupe.
Both the LF-A and IS-F have participated in the 24 Hours of Nurburgring race ... twice, and the LF-A has not even been released yet!
With a 9000 RPM V10, and a huge amount of race testing already, the LF-A will be pretty close to a race car for the streets.
Also, rumors are strong that Toyota will enter Le Mans with the LF-A. You can also bet that the Lexus SC430 in Super GT will be replaced by the LF-A.
I'm not entirely sure if its a great thing or a bad thing that the IS-F began as a skunkworks project with only a few people working on it. The reason is the IS-F is rather focused for a Lexus and only had a few people working on it. While I do want more "F" cars, I am slightly scared it will become a big company initiative with more people and bean counters more involved. Its clear the IS-F wasn't meant to be produced but here it is, a legitimate player in its class. I like the focus from a few people. We don't want consumer questionnaire "F" products.
Toyota's top engineers from every corner and division of the company have worked on the LF-A at one point or another. Toyota's F1 team has been directly involved with the development of the LF-A.
A project such as the LF-A simply would not be possible if it was some small skunkworks development.
Although the IS-F was initially a skunkworks car, this is both good and bad. Good that it is a focused car, bad that it has quite a few rough edges. Since IS-F sales have been good, and now that the IS-F has full backing from Toyota instead of being a skunkworks-only project, we have things such as an LSD being added to the IS-F, and the rumored "IS F R" project.
As my sig states, Akio Toyoda doesn't like figures or documents. Akio is not a bean counter, and he will be running Toyota for the next 4-5 years. You can be sure that the F cars will remain very focused. Just like in the past, the Toyoda family is more involved in the company right now.
I will also say that Lexus should only make F-versions of cars, and the sportiest cars at that. I say there should definitely be no HS-F, RX-F, or anything like that. At the very most, maybe an LS-F, but even then is stretching it.
I would keep the lineup at a GS-F, IS-F, LF-A, SC-F (and possibly LS-F). Also Lexus definitely needs to have F-versions of a GS sedan and coupe, as well as an IS-F coupe.
With a 9000 RPM V10, and a huge amount of race testing already, the LF-A will be pretty close to a race car for the streets.
Also, rumors are strong that Toyota will enter Le Mans with the LF-A. You can also bet that the Lexus SC430 in Super GT will be replaced by the LF-A.
09-14-09, 12:38 PM
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Come on Lexus!!!! For every ///M or AMG offering let there be a Lexus in the mix as a competitor!
The first attempt which is the IS-F was definatley worthy of praise!
The first attempt which is the IS-F was definatley worthy of praise!
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09-14-09, 12:50 PM
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What makes you think that? Before the SC, Toyota had the Supra in GT500. Nissan entered their new GT-R into Super GT. Honda has raced the NSX in Super GT for ages. Unless Toyota plans on entering a production FT-HS, or whatever the rumored mid-market sports car will be, I don't really see the SC staying in Super GT for a long time. I would expect the LF A to replace it, assuming no Toyota sports cars replace the SC.
09-14-09, 03:00 PM
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09-14-09, 03:09 PM
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Let's keep pushing Lexus to deliver.
09-14-09, 11:15 PM
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What makes you think that? Before the SC, Toyota had the Supra in GT500. Nissan entered their new GT-R into Super GT. Honda has raced the NSX in Super GT for ages. Unless Toyota plans on entering a production FT-HS, or whatever the rumored mid-market sports car will be, I don't really see the SC staying in Super GT for a long time. I would expect the LF A to replace it, assuming no Toyota sports cars replace the SC.
Nissan has to market their new GT-R. Honda does not have a car to replace the NSX.