New BMW M5 F10 (updated, official spec and link in #205)
02-15-11, 11:18 AM
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Look the M5 used to be manual only. Then they made it SMG only and only until Americans complained did they add a manual (but you can't disable all the electronics). Now the M5 loses N/A to be a turbo, is based off the 7 series and might be automatic only?
Is Lexus making this thing? There BETTER be a manual offered.
2012 BMW M5 to be automatic only?
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http://www.autoblog.com/2011/02/15/2...utomatic-only/
Is Lexus making this thing? There BETTER be a manual offered.
2012 BMW M5 to be automatic only?
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As enthusiasts, we can't help but get depressed over the near-extinction of the manual transmission. More and more of our favorite performance cars are being offered without three-pedal setups, and if you believe the latest reports, the next car to fall victim to this change of engineering is the 2012 BMW M5. Don't get your hopes up for any sort of dual-clutch setup, either – Motor Trend is reporting that the next-generation M5 will be offered exclusively with an eight-speed automatic.
When the 2012 BMW M5 goes on sale, it will be powered by a twin-turbocharged 4.4-liter V8 with direct injection. Motor Trend reports that BMW apparently tried to mate its M DCT transmission to this powerplant, a less-powerful version of which is used in both the X5 M and X6 M. The latest reports state that the 2012 M5 will produce over 550 horsepower, and while there's no word about what sort of torque numbers will be on tap, it's obviously too high to be handled by the M DCT unit. Presumably, the eight-speed autobox in question is the ZF unit that's spreading like kudzu throughout the automaker's lineup, and at least we know it to be a very agreeable and quick-shifting unit.
Look for the 2012 BMW M5 to debut in concept form at the Shanghai Motor Show this Spring, followed by the production car's debut at the Frankfurt Motor Show this Fall.
When the 2012 BMW M5 goes on sale, it will be powered by a twin-turbocharged 4.4-liter V8 with direct injection. Motor Trend reports that BMW apparently tried to mate its M DCT transmission to this powerplant, a less-powerful version of which is used in both the X5 M and X6 M. The latest reports state that the 2012 M5 will produce over 550 horsepower, and while there's no word about what sort of torque numbers will be on tap, it's obviously too high to be handled by the M DCT unit. Presumably, the eight-speed autobox in question is the ZF unit that's spreading like kudzu throughout the automaker's lineup, and at least we know it to be a very agreeable and quick-shifting unit.
Look for the 2012 BMW M5 to debut in concept form at the Shanghai Motor Show this Spring, followed by the production car's debut at the Frankfurt Motor Show this Fall.
02-15-11, 11:47 AM
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Just like the last M5...but this time I am not sure if uproar will be enough. I don't get how you can make the performance flagship of a line auto only, but the rest of the line can all be had in manual. I understand the power issues, but it can be done.
No manual M5, then no M5 for me at all. PERIOD!
No manual M5, then no M5 for me at all. PERIOD!
02-15-11, 11:55 AM
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Thats pretty weak if true. Sure it will still be very fun to drive though. There is also the option of going 550i with the Msport package and manual. Probably 80% of the driving experience and included standard transmission, plus easy engine updates.
02-15-11, 12:14 PM
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Weird....I posted this last night? 
I don't need to have a manual but the lack of a DCT or similar offering is puzzling. I would prefer to have a DCT/PDK type transmission as they are faster and yet, still engaging and fun to drive.
If there is any truth to this rumour (we'll know in April when the car launches on the show circuit I'd guess) then I'll also pass.
Just like the last M5...but this time I am not sure if uproar will be enough. I don't get how you can make the performance flagship of a line auto only, but the rest of the line can all be had in manual. I understand the power issues, but it can be done.
No manual M5, then no M5 for me at all. PERIOD!
No manual M5, then no M5 for me at all. PERIOD!
If there is any truth to this rumour (we'll know in April when the car launches on the show circuit I'd guess) then I'll also pass.
02-15-11, 12:43 PM
#140
this is weird. i actually don't really expect the f10 m5 to have manual as option anymore. very sadly that's just going to be the trend (and as much as i don't want to see)
however i would still expect some kind of dct, or at least single clutch design. full automatic?! wtf?
however i would still expect some kind of dct, or at least single clutch design. full automatic?! wtf?
02-15-11, 03:58 PM
#142
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I believe the loudest complaints even about the last-gen M5 not having a manual transmission offered at launch was from the United States customer base.
So they offered one , but slightly castrated on power...(unsure if they lifted the traction control limits later on)
So they offered one , but slightly castrated on power...(unsure if they lifted the traction control limits later on)
02-15-11, 05:55 PM
#144
to be honest, i wouldn't go that far and say the f10 m5 needs to have manual tranny (as in with a stick). it's a good option for few, but given the market, unfortunately i think computer controlled ones (dct, etc...) are taking over
but a simply full auto tranny, that's just off
02-16-11, 02:54 PM
#145
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We'll see what happens when the camo comes off at the auto shows, but imo, this doesn't look as aggressive as it should be. I'd prefer the look of the Hamann 5 series to this.
More pics here:
http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=489815
Monte Carlo Blue F10 M5 Spotted!
The F10 M5 is almost upon us, with a concept version headed for a debut at the Shanghai auto show in April. Being in its FEP phase, it's being tested in some different production colors, including what appears to be a stunning Monte Carlo Blue M5. Before this particular model was spotted, the only other time a blue M5 has been spotted was at M's Garching headquarters where it was spotted with its production rear exposed for the only time.
What we see here is basically the production form of the M5, albeit with front and rear bumper designs still camouflaged. It is easy however to piece together what they look like from previous spy photos (posted below). The new M5 will be powered by a tweaked version of the S63 V8 twin turbo motor from the X5M/X6M, good for what we believe will be 585-600hp.
The F10 M5 concept will bow at the 2011 Shanghai show in April (don't be surprised to see an internet reveal sometime prior) and the production M5 is expected to premier at the 2011 Frankfurt IAA autoshow in September. Euro deliveries will begin in November 2011 and US deliveries begin in Spring 2012.
The F10 M5 is almost upon us, with a concept version headed for a debut at the Shanghai auto show in April. Being in its FEP phase, it's being tested in some different production colors, including what appears to be a stunning Monte Carlo Blue M5. Before this particular model was spotted, the only other time a blue M5 has been spotted was at M's Garching headquarters where it was spotted with its production rear exposed for the only time.
What we see here is basically the production form of the M5, albeit with front and rear bumper designs still camouflaged. It is easy however to piece together what they look like from previous spy photos (posted below). The new M5 will be powered by a tweaked version of the S63 V8 twin turbo motor from the X5M/X6M, good for what we believe will be 585-600hp.
The F10 M5 concept will bow at the 2011 Shanghai show in April (don't be surprised to see an internet reveal sometime prior) and the production M5 is expected to premier at the 2011 Frankfurt IAA autoshow in September. Euro deliveries will begin in November 2011 and US deliveries begin in Spring 2012.
http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=489815
02-16-11, 05:26 PM
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The bottom bumpers look like a standard M affair..
I also feel like the E60 M5 was pretty garish as M5s go. All the others prior were pretty "understated" sedans that were really, really fast.
I also feel like the E60 M5 was pretty garish as M5s go. All the others prior were pretty "understated" sedans that were really, really fast.
02-16-11, 05:36 PM
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Anyone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the E60 M5 has been the best-selling M5 ever.
I love many of the older BMW designs, but at the same time BMW used the "one sausage three lengths" design mentality that Audi is now using, and BMW is going back to. People can criticize and hate Bangle, but one thing you have to give respect to Bangle for is that he made BMW's models all look differentiated and individual, while *still* having a family resemblance. Now BMW is just using the "one sausage three lengths" design mentality which IMHO is not the best approach anymore.
With older BMWs, it's almost impossible to tell apart regular models from M models, because they look extremely similar. On that note, the older 5 and 7 series models looked very similar to each other as well.
02-16-11, 06:43 PM
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Not really sure what you guys were expecting... New hood, front and rear bumper, and probably a faux vent on the front fender. All the normal M modifications are present and accounted for. How much more aggressive do you guys want this car and what else could you possibly do?
And I agree with whoster, the E60 M5 was definitely garish as far as M5's go. Now that may not necessarily be a bad thing but given the history of M5, it was garish. The base 5 series has gone back to a more classic understated styling so it really doesn't surprise me that the M5 follows suit.
And I agree with whoster, the E60 M5 was definitely garish as far as M5's go. Now that may not necessarily be a bad thing but given the history of M5, it was garish. The base 5 series has gone back to a more classic understated styling so it really doesn't surprise me that the M5 follows suit.
02-16-11, 06:54 PM
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Not really sure what you guys were expecting... New hood, front and rear bumper, and probably a faux vent on the front fender. All the normal M modifications are present and accounted for. How much more aggressive do you guys want this car and what else could you possibly do?
And I agree with whoster, the E60 M5 was definitely garish as far as M5's go. Now that may not necessarily be a bad thing but given the history of M5, it was garish. The base 5 series has gone back to a more classic understated styling so it really doesn't surprise me that the M5 follows suit.
And I agree with whoster, the E60 M5 was definitely garish as far as M5's go. Now that may not necessarily be a bad thing but given the history of M5, it was garish. The base 5 series has gone back to a more classic understated styling so it really doesn't surprise me that the M5 follows suit.
While the Panamera is polarizing as far as it's exterior looks go, it is much more aggressive than this M5 right out of the box (4S or TT).