dunnojack

the V6 camaro & CTS DI 3.6L makes 18/29 epa mileage and 304hp, 274tq.
6 speed.

MPG a tad better than the 2GR FSE in the GS and IS.

since when did GM start making engines as good as toyota?

the last GM car I drove was a chevy impala rental car, and i got both crappy power and mpg.

Hoovey689

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IMO GM has always made good V8 engines, while their engines with lesser cylinders seem less competitive like the 3.5L and 3.9L V6's in the G6, Impala, Equinox etc..., but with respect to the 91'-93' GMC Typhoon, and GMC Syclone which both utilized a 4.3L V6 Turbocharged good for 280hp and 360lb-ft (0-60 5.3*) and the 1987 Buick Grand National. GM still has a ways to go, but yeah the new 3.6L is a very good engine, as is the new 3.0L V6 in the new SRX. So IMO to answer your question when did GM start making engines as good as Toyota, I think it was when they realized they were losing their market share due to their sub par and inefficient products. Their finally starting to shift their view towards Asian manufacturers strategy of quality over quantity. The new EcoTech engine line-up seems promising a 1.6, 1.8, and a 1.4L DI Turbo'ed I4's. It's likely that GM (along with many other companies) will put more money into R&D to produce more efficient cars/technologies than the last generation models, as well as their competitors in order to regain some lost ground.

Och

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So why is it better? It is essentially the same technology that Toyota uses in the 2GR, GM has finally caught with the times and produced a DOHC V6 engine with direct injection and variable valve timing technology. It is also a premium engine as well, previously used in the Caddy. The two other V6 engines that they use in their regular cars, the 3.5 and the 3.9 are still horrible.... well not as horrible as their recently retired 90 degree 3800 V6.

tex2670

Numbers aren't everything. Is it quieter? How does it hold up over the years?

RX_330

Doesn't the Camaro have that stupid 1st > 4th shift program thing?

The G Man

Ford has good numbers too, but as someone already said, numbers are not everything.

geko29

Did they start putting that in 6-cylinder cars? I'm familiar with it in the Corvette and V8 Camaros. It actually doesn't bother me, because it only does it when you're accelerating casually, and the engine has so much damn torque that 4th gear drives like 2nd in most cars.

I'm not sure it'd be a good idea in a V6, no matter how powerful, because the necessary torque just won't be there.

DASHOCKER

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The new GM V6 motors are indeed quieter & smoother than the Toyota V6 motors during idle & acceleration.. You will have to get behind the wheel of both to experience these motors..

Lets Drive

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No experience with the current GM V6, but Toyota is still ironing out issues with 5 generations of cam gear fixes on the 2GR-FSE. In terms of how that will effect operation over time, its also something to look at beyond numbers.

TJW98LS

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Put 80,000 miles on a GM, then see what happens

DASHOCKER

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What happens?

DASHOCKER

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http://wardsauto.com/reports/2009/tenbest/

IS-SV

Nice highway mileage number, although I'd like to see how tall the overdrive gearing is in top gear.

But that's just one of many factors in determining a good engine.

IS-SV

Exactly and the rest of the expensive subassemblies/components too. My friend and original owner of a babied GM SUV with over 100K miles is not impressed with his actual experience.

FisforFast

When the Camaro first came out earlier this year they mentioned that the V6 they have in there is one of the most technologically advanced 6 cyl. in the world.