Toyota Begins Interim Notification to Owners Regarding Future Voluntary Safety Recall
#76
The carpeted mat with hooks in place or the all weather mats hooked in place are no problem. Placing the all weather mats on top of the carpeted mats create a potential problem. This "problem" has existed for as long as mats have been around. I see "volume limiters" on car audio systems being mandated to prevent hearing loss...
The recall is to correct potential issues that could occur without you being aware. If you do something sensible with the mats, something that you think is fine (stacking mats and jamming up mats into the accelerator is NOT fine), Toyota is saying you STILL can have a problem. So they are going to try to mitigate that.
Go ahead, let Darwin get you. You have it all under control.
#77
It looks as though most people don't have the hooks in their cars. Somehow they are lost/gone? I'm sure they won't replace all weather mats. It would be far cheaper for lexus to give 2 plastic hooks for the holes in the drivers side carpet to hook to the stock lexus mats.
I realise some people have dismissed this and have already cancelled their visit. Their choice. The good news about a recall is Lexus will allow you to change your mind if you later on decide to wise up.
#78
This whole thing is rediculous. The statment is not clear and does not clarify it's only for the all-weather mats or mats that are stacked. So now every stock carpetted Lexus in this timeframe is affected? I don't think so. There is nothing wrong with the stock carpet set-up when using the hook.
Also, any dealer putting a mat ontop of another mat is pretty careless. That is just not common sense at all.
Sorry to hear about the CHP family. I don't think any jokes should be cracked over this matter- people lost their lives. Check that 911 link on page 1.
Also, any dealer putting a mat ontop of another mat is pretty careless. That is just not common sense at all.
Sorry to hear about the CHP family. I don't think any jokes should be cracked over this matter- people lost their lives. Check that 911 link on page 1.
You are correct there is nothing wrong with the mat. The recall just says something to this effect "the current setup could go terribly wrong and you could lose your life. Let us take a look at it and [insert adjustment here] to make sure the risk to you is minimal." That's all it is saying.
If you can't see how this setup can go back, don't you think it's a good idea if Lexus either showed you how it could go bad or fixed it so you can continue to keep believing you have a foolproof setup?
People aren't perfect like you, good thing we have Lexus looking out for some of us. A silly mistake like double mats or missing hooks shouldn't cost a family their life.
#79
They don't mention the LS, but if I didn't clip my all-weather mats, they'd creep forward until they block the accelerator. That applies to almost any car (it happened in my Acura when I negligently omitted clipping the all-weather mats); unfortunately common sense is a quality they can't build in a car, owners are suppose to provide that...
The way the mats are designed in the VW, it next to nearly impossible for the floor mats to creep up under the accelerator on it's on so for the VW, lack of "common sense" just makes you look silly but in a Lexus, it could get you killed....is that right?
There's a design flaw and Toyota is going to do what they can to mitigate the risk. If they do what they do, then yes you are allowed to be stupid about the floor mats without causing wholesale destruction and widespread death.
Last edited by kensteele; 09-29-09 at 09:09 PM.
#80
I still don't understand how a loose mat, lodges a gas pedal down and causes sudden acceleration? If the mat were to lodge under anything, wouldn't it lodge under the brakes and cause it to not engage properly causing retarded stopping, rather than lodge on the gas and cause excessive acceleration?
Just looking at the picture of the mat and clip, I just don't see it. Do people just let the mats continue to wedge up the pedals like a wedgie up your underwear and not pull back?
We had the biggest POS floor mats that ran all over the place on our '84 Plymouth Voyager and we just adjusted it back ever so often.... is common sense not at play here, or just plain laziness. I just don't see it...
Just looking at the picture of the mat and clip, I just don't see it. Do people just let the mats continue to wedge up the pedals like a wedgie up your underwear and not pull back?
We had the biggest POS floor mats that ran all over the place on our '84 Plymouth Voyager and we just adjusted it back ever so often.... is common sense not at play here, or just plain laziness. I just don't see it...
The mats in my 2007 IS350 never budge from their anchors & I will not be trading them for safety mats unless I like them better
#81
when i received the car new i found the carpeted mats underneath the all weather mats, and not secured. once i read the manual i removed the carpeted mats.
so are they going to take the all weather mats and leave you with nothing?
my drivers mat has a hole in it i was hoping to get a new one free
so are they going to take the all weather mats and leave you with nothing?
my drivers mat has a hole in it i was hoping to get a new one free
It's only the driver's side, my guess is they'll replace mats and hooks and provide you with instructions.
#82
The sky is falling, the sky is falling... the funny part (thou sad) about that es350 crash in socal, it was a loaner car from the dealer and not a POV... i'm leaving my 'carpet' mats in, for those of you who are worried, goto the dealer for 'piece of mind' cuz the dealerships ALWAYS know what their doing/talking about...
You got the recall, you ignore it, if something bad happens to you heaven forbid, I hope someone else doesn't have to suffer for it because you knew better than Lexus. Of course, this is not directed towards you personally, but everyone everywhere who reject the idea of safety recalls. It's not like we're talking about bad tomatoes when it's only your life in jeopardy.
#84
Nice job. I think you managed to insult half the forum.
FWIW, Toyota has been using this same technology for at least the last 16 years - it's in my 1993 Supra. They didn't say anything in the recall about Supras. So, does that mean Supras using the exact same method of securing the mat are safe? I can tell you for sure my clutch pedal has got stuck on the mat after a car wash a couple of different times.
This "recall" is a knee-jerk reaction to stupid people and fear of litigation. Nothing more. When they go to court for the wrongful death suit they're facing for the people who died in San Diego, Lexus needs to be able to say "We're doing something about this." It's no different than the California Legislature passing their idiotic assault gun ban after Patrick Purdy shot up the schoolyard in Stockton. The powers that be have to be able to say "we're doing something about this (even if it's completely idiotic, we're taking action!)"
So, you can take your worried self and live in fear that all of us with a half a lick of sense and engineering background aren't going to fall for this. We're going to continue to run our mats and if we experience a problem, jerk the damned thing back so it's no longer interfering with the accelerator because we have the wherewithal and presence of mind to know there is an easy fix.
I truly feel for the family killed in the horrific accident. I don't feel the driver was at fault, and the dealership is liable (not Lexus corporate) for putting the mats in the car improperly. I don't think this warrants a full recall of 3.8 million vehicles, nor does it warrant the immediate removal of any mat I have in my cars.
FWIW, Toyota has been using this same technology for at least the last 16 years - it's in my 1993 Supra. They didn't say anything in the recall about Supras. So, does that mean Supras using the exact same method of securing the mat are safe? I can tell you for sure my clutch pedal has got stuck on the mat after a car wash a couple of different times.
This "recall" is a knee-jerk reaction to stupid people and fear of litigation. Nothing more. When they go to court for the wrongful death suit they're facing for the people who died in San Diego, Lexus needs to be able to say "We're doing something about this." It's no different than the California Legislature passing their idiotic assault gun ban after Patrick Purdy shot up the schoolyard in Stockton. The powers that be have to be able to say "we're doing something about this (even if it's completely idiotic, we're taking action!)"
So, you can take your worried self and live in fear that all of us with a half a lick of sense and engineering background aren't going to fall for this. We're going to continue to run our mats and if we experience a problem, jerk the damned thing back so it's no longer interfering with the accelerator because we have the wherewithal and presence of mind to know there is an easy fix.
I truly feel for the family killed in the horrific accident. I don't feel the driver was at fault, and the dealership is liable (not Lexus corporate) for putting the mats in the car improperly. I don't think this warrants a full recall of 3.8 million vehicles, nor does it warrant the immediate removal of any mat I have in my cars.
#85
So let me see if I understand you correctly. Buy a Lexus and if you don't use common sense when it comes to the floor mats, you could lose your life and maybe anyone else in the car and whoever else is unlucky enough to be in your path?
The way the mats are designed in the VW, it next to nearly impossible for the floor mats to creep up under the accelerator on it's on so for the VW, lack of "common sense" just makes you look silly but in a Lexus, it could get you killed....is that right?
There's a design flaw and Toyota is going to do what they can to mitigate the risk. If they do what they do, then yes you are allowed to be stupid about the floor mats without causing wholesale destruction and widespread death.
The way the mats are designed in the VW, it next to nearly impossible for the floor mats to creep up under the accelerator on it's on so for the VW, lack of "common sense" just makes you look silly but in a Lexus, it could get you killed....is that right?
There's a design flaw and Toyota is going to do what they can to mitigate the risk. If they do what they do, then yes you are allowed to be stupid about the floor mats without causing wholesale destruction and widespread death.
#86
Nice job. I think you managed to insult half the forum.
This "recall" is a knee-jerk reaction to stupid people and fear of litigation. Nothing more. When they go to court for the wrongful death suit they're facing for the people who died in San Diego, Lexus needs to be able to say "We're doing something about this."
I truly feel for the family killed in the horrific accident. I don't feel the driver was at fault, and the dealership is liable (not Lexus corporate) for putting the mats in the car improperly. I don't think this warrants a full recall of 3.8 million vehicles, nor does it warrant the immediate removal of any mat I have in my cars.
This "recall" is a knee-jerk reaction to stupid people and fear of litigation. Nothing more. When they go to court for the wrongful death suit they're facing for the people who died in San Diego, Lexus needs to be able to say "We're doing something about this."
I truly feel for the family killed in the horrific accident. I don't feel the driver was at fault, and the dealership is liable (not Lexus corporate) for putting the mats in the car improperly. I don't think this warrants a full recall of 3.8 million vehicles, nor does it warrant the immediate removal of any mat I have in my cars.
#89
Initially it is pretty confusing but it will be much more clear later. In the meantime, Lexus is pretty clear about "remove your mats now."
You are correct there is nothing wrong with the mat. The recall just says something to this effect "the current setup could go terribly wrong and you could lose your life. Let us take a look at it and [insert adjustment here] to make sure the risk to you is minimal." That's all it is saying.
If you can't see how this setup can go back, don't you think it's a good idea if Lexus either showed you how it could go bad or fixed it so you can continue to keep believing you have a foolproof setup?
People aren't perfect like you, good thing we have Lexus looking out for some of us. A silly mistake like double mats or missing hooks shouldn't cost a family their life.
You are correct there is nothing wrong with the mat. The recall just says something to this effect "the current setup could go terribly wrong and you could lose your life. Let us take a look at it and [insert adjustment here] to make sure the risk to you is minimal." That's all it is saying.
If you can't see how this setup can go back, don't you think it's a good idea if Lexus either showed you how it could go bad or fixed it so you can continue to keep believing you have a foolproof setup?
People aren't perfect like you, good thing we have Lexus looking out for some of us. A silly mistake like double mats or missing hooks shouldn't cost a family their life.
You are correct, but the fallout from this is the public is going to panic, think the car is flawed as a whole, and this will temporarily tarnish Toyota's and Lexus's repuation. I think it all can be avoided if they came out with a better disclaimer/recall and explain the problem as isolated to non-stock mats (a very small % of cars). Why be so general and overstate the problem? If it's connected only to altered mats, then say it that way and be done with it.