Trexus

See post number 96. The best year the GS had was 2005. As 1SICKLEX stated the GS is not a volume vehicle like the 5 Series of the E Class. Hopefully the 4GS will change that with the GS 350/460/450h and GS F...

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...o-sales-7.html

LexBob2

The Genesis has settled into it's niche in the market. I don't know, or care, what Hyundai's plans and goals were for it, but it seems to be selling OK, nothing revolutionary just another seemingly decent car out there among a lot of others.

LexFather

Paul my reasoning for the Genesis is the vehicle was selling that figure with the sedan ITSELF last year and most of the year....now it has a cheaper coupe that starts at 22k-30k and sales are the same?

Shame they don't split coupe/sedan numbers. Later on I'll post Genesis monthly sales (unless someone will be kind to do it )

Another sign Genesis sales are down is it USUALLY outsells the VW CC and the CC beat it significantly this past month.

Hey I love both Genesis's but I would have expect a huge increase in sales by now.....the sales goal for coupes and sedans is 50k a year and 1700 a month ain't close to hitting it.


http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1...d-in-the-works

LexFather

NORWAY SALES (u get it all here )

Make - Model - Sept. - 2009

1. Volkswagen Golf * 450 * 3748
2. Toyota Avensis * 318 * 3124
3. Ford Mondeo * 398 * 2315
4. Volkswagen Passat * 276 * 2231
5. Nissan Qashqai * 302 * 1934
6. Skoda Octavia * 194 * 1783
7. Volvo V70 * 347 * 1667
8. Toyota Auris * 166 * 1613
9. Opel Insignia * 132 * 1558
10. Volkswagen Tiguan * 238 * 1552
11. Ford Focus * 229 * 1551
12. Audi A4 * 133 * 1475
13. BMW 3-serie * 198 * 1391
14. Volvo V50 * 243 * 1250
15. Peugeot 308 * 62 * 1232
16. Toyota Yaris * 125 * 1136
17. Honda CR-V * 72 * 1100
18. Mazda 6 * 164 * 1095
19. Toyota Prius * 515 * 1073

20. Hyundai i30 * 123 * 1055
21. Volvo XC60 * 105 * 974
22. Toyota RAV4 * 156 * 956
23. Hyundai i20 * 122 * 934
24. Ford Fiesta * 141 * 884
25. Volkswagen Touran * 161 * 860
26. Audi A3 * 166 * 857
27. Peugeot 207 * 83 * 856
28. Mitsubishi Outlander * 124 * 855
29. Subaru Forester * 116 * 774
30. Toyota Urban Cruiser * 237 * 771
31. BMW 1-serie * 124 * 712
32. Mercedes-Benz E-klasse * 67 * 682
33. Toyota Corolla * 15 * 646
34. Audi Q5 * 61 * 630
35. Mazda 3 * 70 * 623
36. Ford Kuga * 92 * 606
37. Skoda Fabia * 67 * 601
38. Mitsubishi Colt * 85 * 567
39. Volkswagen Polo * 140 * 550
40. Ford S-Max * 59 * 550
41. Opel Astra * 54 * 547
42. Nissan X-Trail * 67 * 493
43. Subaru Legacy * 105 * 485
44. Honda Civic * 34 * 483
45. Peugeot 3008 * 149 * 480
46. Audi A6 * 37 * 469
47. Mercedes-Benz B-klasse * 50 * 468
48. Subaru Impreza * 40 * 453
49. Mercedes-Benz C-klasse * 109 * 442
50. Honda Accord * 68 * 411

LexFather

Canada

General Motors: -23.4% to 23,568
Ford: +24.4% to 16,140*
Toyota: -11.1% to 16,065
Chrysler: -7.1% to 15,804
Honda: -12.2% to 11,272
Hyundai: +30.8% to 9,282*
Nissan: -0.9% to 6,594
Mazda: -3.6% to 6,520
Kia: +19.7% to 4,515*
Volkswagen: -4.2% to 3,508
Subaru: +68.4% to 2,544*
BMW: +50.1% to 2,402*
Mercedes-Benz: +24.9% to 2,248*
Mitsubishi: +18.5% to 1,735*
Lexus: +11.3% to 1,504*
Suzuki: +3.6% to 1,351*
Acura: -45% to 1,127
Audi: +17.1% to 1,111*
Infiniti: -14.3% to 639
Volvo: -6.4% to 508
Mini: -16.9% to 340
smart: +3.7% to 312*
Land Rover: -8.2% to 179
Porsche: +14% to 114*
Jaguar: -24.4% to 62
Saab: -48.2% to 59

Sens4Miles

Automaker

GM- 20,794
Lexus- 17,939
Mercedes- 16,985
BMW- 15,047
Acura- 7,259
Audi- 7,209
Infiniti- 6,610
Lincoln- 5,980
Volvo- 4,716
Saab- 484


YTD 2009

Lexus- 149,408
GM- 145,413
BMW- 144,223
Mercedes- 135,413
Acura- 76,628
Infiniti- 59,886
Audi- 59,518
Lincoln- 59,236
Volvo- 46,729
Saab- 6,928


Looks like GM was the top luxury automaker for the month of September. Cadillac's sales increase also moved GM ahead of BMW into the #2 spot for the year. GM is close to overtaking Lexus for the #1 spot in luxury sales for 2009. 4th quarter numbers should be interesting...

LexFather

Except you are 100% wrong and if that was the case, then Lexus would not have been #1 in sales here the past 9 years...good try though

Read the article below, no mention of Buick....its BMW vs Lexus.

BMW poised to top Lexus in luxury car sales
Scott Burgess / The Detroit News

Detroit -- BMW AG wants a new American title: top-selling luxury brand.

The German automaker is just a couple thousand unit sales behind perennial leader Lexus, and BMW executives think they can overtake the brand by the end of the year.

"We're really breathing down Lexus' neck," said Jim O'Donnell, CEO of BMW Group's North American sales operation, during an Automotive Press Association luncheon Tuesday.

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"We were slightly ahead of Lexus (in sales) until July," he said. "But we expect business to pick up and have a strong fourth quarter. We could catch them."

Through August, BMW has sold 129,176 vehicles; Lexus has sold 131,469, according to Autodata Corp.

Toyota Motor Corp.'s Lexus has been the top selling luxury carmaker in the U.S. for the past nine years.

George Augustaitis, a market analyst with CSM Worldwide in Northville, said BMW has been working to expand its brand and has a lot of product offerings. "That's really helped them close the gap with Lexus," he said.

The economic upheaval could help BMW outsell Lexus by the end of the year, he said.

"I think it would be a big deal for the luxury segment," he said.

Augustaitis said he expects luxury vehicle sales to climb next year, as long as the economy improves, much the same way pickup sales can be predicted by housing construction.

"The luxury segment should see a little bit of a rebound," he said. "This is a segment that is very much in line with how the overall economy is doing."
Pent-up demand fuels sales

BMW has weathered the automotive sales catastrophe of 2009 better than many automakers, and O'Donnell said there are signs sales will increase through the rest of the year.

He estimated luxury segment sales should jump by about 15 percent next year.

"There is a huge pent-up demand," O'Donnell said. "(Customers) have held onto cars a lot longer then they're used to."

BMW's dealers are reporting an increase in traffic, in part because of the popular federal "cash for clunkers" program. Although the program was not intended to sell luxury vehicles, it brought customers into showrooms. BMW sold 1,400 vehicles through the program.

To qualify for the Car Allowance Rebate System, vehicles had to meet certain gas mileage requirements and could not cost more than $45,000. Most luxury vehicles and many BMWs have price tags far north of that.

The automaker and its Japanese rival both took hits in August sales. BMW brand sales were down 24.5 percent, compared to the same month in 2008. Lexus sales fell 22 percent.

While many auto factories in America have closed for extended periods or had limited-production runs, BMW has managed to keep its Spartanburg, S.C., plant running at full capacity, building the X5 SUV and Z4 roadster.

BMW exports 70 percent of the vehicles produced at the Spartanburg plant.

"We're the largest vehicle exporter in the U.S. to non-NAFTA countries," said Robert Hitt, a BMW spokesman.


http://detnews.com/article/20090902/...xury+car+sales

Sens4Miles

Your list says "automaker", not "brand". Yes, Lexus is the top selling luxury brand for the month of September. But it is not the top selling luxury automaker for the month of September. You really should read what you type a little more carefully before you post.

LexFather

And again you have yet to provide a link, proof anything where Buick is considered by automotive experts to be a luxury brand. Until then, you have no point (even is I really like what Buick has done, the EXPERTS have yet to call it a luxury brand). You again, like last month IGNORE another one of my links backing up my claims.

However, feel free to come here every month on a Lexus forum and try to make someone else #1 in sales.

Amazing, you come in this thread to add up Buick and Caddy like you did last month so Lexus can be #2.

Well fine, let Lexus be #2. Do you really think anyone considers GM #1 in luxury car sales?


HEY EVERYONE, Lexus is #2 in Sales b/c this person says so.

I edited my disclaimer after last months fiasco....you probably didn't read (selective reading ftl)..the red part is important

Sens4Miles

Ok, here's a link:

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...now-added.html

Apparently 68% of ClubLexus believes that Buick is a luxury brand. Maybe they're not "experts", but at least 68% of Lexus fanatics honestly believe that Buick belongs on that list. That says alot. You typically make derogatory comments against what the "experts" have to say anyway (especially when they don't agree with your opinions), so what would that prove anyway?

I distinctly remember you claiming that MOST people do not consider Buick to be a luxury brand, yet almost 70% of Lexus fans believe that to be the case. So, do you care to modify your statement just a bit?


Numbers don't lie


Well, they are.

Sens4Miles

I don't know what you consider "automotive experts" (whatever that means anyway), but here are just two more links where Buick is mentioned as a luxury brand. Type in "Buick luxury" into google (or your preferred search engine) and tons more will come up..


http://www.abc15.com/content/news/au...kshE5ZYmA.cspx

"Buick is repositioning itself as a different kind of American luxury brand, going after cars like Lexus and they're starting with styling."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick

"Over time Buick has become a traditional luxury brand in the GM group whereas Cadillac has focused more on cutting edge products."

LexFather

Read the disclaimer again....

I edited my disclaimer after last months fiasco....you probably didn't read (selective reading ftl)..the red part is important

I guess you want a Nobel Prize for adding Buick and Caddy's figures

"Hey everyone, I went on a Lexus forum, the only place with this sales information every month and made Government Motors #1 in sales"!!! Give me my cookies!

TRDFantasy

The same thing that happens to all the flame-bait posters on CL that overely criticize Toyota and Lexus; once they are proven wrong, they never admit to it and they fade into the background.

Base MSRP for Genesis coupe: 22K
Base MSRP for Genesis sedan: 32K
Base MSRP for GS: 45K

Sorry, but you're wrong. What makes me laugh is how some of you consider the Genesis a BIG success, when it's a new model and sales are dropping FAST, even WITH the addition of the coupe model to the sedan's sales.

The Genesis clearly does NOT compete with the GS, at all.

Like I mentioned in another thread, we do not know the sales breakdown for both models. What if Hyundai sold 1,000 coupes and only 665 sedans for the month? Perfectly reasonable assumption as the coupe costs much less than the sedan.

I didn't know the sales goals for the Genesis, thanks for that . 50K a year, wow Hyundai is NOWHERE CLOSE to that, major FAIL on their part. Numbers like that rival Acura in terms of ridiculous sales goals . Definitely another sign Hyundai is becoming too arrogant for it's own good.

MPLexus301

iTrader: (3)

I think we are joking ourselves here by saying that the GS never had sales goals close to the 5 and E because even if it didn't, this was intended to be a volume model from the start (or at least much moreso than it has been). Lexus strategically never really released sales goals so that they could avoid the embarassment if/when it failed.

The GS is a decent car with plenty of strengths but there is absolutely no arguing the fact that it can't hold a flame to the 5 and E in terms of volume. That's not necessarily a bad thing because neither can the A6 or M, so it's not like the GS is a ridiculously lame dog. The bottom line though, is that in terms of sales the GS has indeed been a failure. Toyota/Lexus is a company about volume and profit and there is no doubt in my mind that they originally built the 3GS with the intent of challenging the Germans in the showroom. Looking at the numbers there is only one word: fail. I can guarantee that Lexus was hoping to sell more than 10,000 of them a year.

Moving on...some interesting things at play this month:

- I will be interested to see what HS sales look like in 3-4 months when production catches up with demand and the car cools off a bit. 1,200 units is not bad but I would have liked to see something closer to 2K. I wonder if we will see that in the coming months.

- I think the increased availability of the RX 450h has been a big contributor to the surge in RX sales. I know that there has been a good bit of pent up demand for the car and the dealers finally started getting more of them this month. None the less, nice success for Lexus.

- Nice to see the IS continuing to sell solidly into the 4th year of it's life. The car really has stood the test of time and I am glad to see continued success.

- The Caddy SRX numbers are interesting. Personally I think it's atrocious in person and I can't really see why anyone would buy one but some 2,000-something people last month disagreed with me. Much like the HS, I will be interested to see what the numbers look like when production is up to demand and the "new" factor has subsided.

- Audi is really a 2-car brand which is surprising to me. The A4 and Q5 are doing all of the dirty work while the rest of the models fall seriously behind. This is not unlike the Infiniti strategy where all of their hopes/dreams/future rest on the G. The A5 is obviously lower production, but if the next gen A6, A8, A3, and Q7 pick up some increased momentum it will really propel Audi up the sales charts. Like I said, for now they are heavily dependant on the A4 and Q5 to keep the showroom alive.

- The C Class continues to be a huge, huge success for Mercedes which is nice to see. I have driven a few of them now and really like the car. I think the handsome styling is probably the greatest selling point but none the less...congrats to Merc. Considering that 3 series sales include coupes, convertibles, and wagons I am sure that the C outsells the 3 series sedan, making it the best selling entry lux sedan. Now if only they could work on that interior and massage a few more ponies out of the 3.5L...

- Looking at the combined sales of the E class, I guess I am a little disappointed. The 5 series and E class had some months where between 4-5K units were sold and that was in the old sedan-only body style. Seeing less than 4K units on the brand new bodystyle which includes coupes and sedans just seems a little underwhelming. Maybe there were some restrictions with supply or maybe it's the down economy. We will see in the coming months.

- I have heard this from industry people but the sales of SUVs are on the rise with gas prices being down right now. This month's sales numbers seem to reflect that. No doubt that fuel efficiency is still the focus but when gas is cheap it's obvious that people are more willing to dish out the money for a Suburban or Land Cruiser. In a way, I'm glad to see a shot in the arm for SUV sales.

- Honda/Acura really continues to swirl around the outer edge of the toilet bowl, getting sucked in little by little with every rotation. Not good. TL sales are awful. I am surprised that they haven't issued some sort of refresh to lessen the beak or redesign it...can they be that dense? I guess so.

- As others have mentioned, a 700unit drop for the Genesis is a pretty big deal. We will have to watch the numbers over the next few months to see if this is just an off month or a pattern. Yes, it outsold the M, GS, and A6 but it also got spanked by the Maxima, Lucerne, and even the Avalon beat it. Very odd...

- Ford has continued to be the "it" brand of 2009 in my opinion, even above Hyundai and Subaru. They had more to lose than anyone else and were surprisingly able to completely turn the tables with the Fusion, Flex, Taurus, MKS, F150 and others. As the saying goes, "Built it and they will come" and now that Ford has finally started putting out great produces, they sure are coming.

- I am still following Hyundai though I think the next two years will be even more interesting. Elantra, Tucson, updated Genesis, Equus, Sonata, etc. The bullish Korean strategy is obviously paying off here. Interesting to see Kia rising from the butt of all automotive jokes to a legitimate mainstream player. I still think that Hyundai should just completely buy Kia, turn them into the mainstream player and then move itself upscale with products like the Genesis, Equus, and Veracruz.

LexFather

Mike, when the GS hit its sales goals of 3k a month in 2006, it was still 40-50% of the E class and 5 series at the time. Thus we can conclude at its BEST, even when selling 3k a month, its still far less than the 5 or E.

We also can conclude while they have gotten a hit in sales, clearly the E and 5 have fared much much better compared to the GS, M, A6 etc. The E and 5 are the class leaders and everyone else is fighting for crust