View Poll Results: What do you think of the current GT-R?
It is a supercar and exotic
7
7.95%
It is a supercar not an exotic
58
65.91%
It is an exotic not a supercar
1
1.14%
It is neither
17
19.32%
I was hoping for sexy pics of goats in front of a GT-R
5
5.68%
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GT-R....is it a Supercar but NOT an exotic? Both? Neither?
10-06-09, 09:56 AM
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True and they are still not impressed but at least they don't have to see the ugly front end. Most of us are driving cars that are faster than 90% of the typical cars that we encounter daily, so that's no big deal especially around the car-rich areas.
10-06-09, 11:52 AM
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So after all the dust has settled here in the debate of GT-R supercar or exotic the reality we're left with is this. What did Nissan set out to build? Did they consciously aim to make a supercar or an exotic? Or was the goal to build a worthy successor to one of the most (if not THE most) legendary Japanese sports cars in history? Nissan benchmarked Porsche, not Lamborghini or Ferrari, as their performance bogey. It just so happens that in meeting that goal they also overtook some much more exotic cars on the block.
Nissan was not only competing with Porsche but also with the standard set by the GT-R's own heritage. That means the car had to be a lot of the things that it is, otherwise it would not be a real GT-R. So whether it fulfills some subjective personal ideas of what a supercar or exotic should be is not Nissan's problem nor the GT-R's. That's baggage that we continue to pile on the car. The GT-R is what it was meant to be. At some point we should all step back and appreciate what Nissan accomplished out of its check list of goals and admire the car for the technical and design marvel that it is.
Nissan was not only competing with Porsche but also with the standard set by the GT-R's own heritage. That means the car had to be a lot of the things that it is, otherwise it would not be a real GT-R. So whether it fulfills some subjective personal ideas of what a supercar or exotic should be is not Nissan's problem nor the GT-R's. That's baggage that we continue to pile on the car. The GT-R is what it was meant to be. At some point we should all step back and appreciate what Nissan accomplished out of its check list of goals and admire the car for the technical and design marvel that it is.
10-06-09, 11:54 AM
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And I don't care who you are... If a GT-R happens to pull on you the unsuspecting Lambo driver. You will think or at the least remember it!
10-06-09, 01:13 PM
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Certainly this Nissan car has the goods.
10-06-09, 01:32 PM
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So after all the dust has settled here in the debate of GT-R supercar or exotic the reality we're left with is this. What did Nissan set out to build? Did they consciously aim to make a supercar or an exotic? Or was the goal to build a worthy successor to one of the most (if not THE most) legendary Japanese sports cars in history? Nissan benchmarked Porsche, not Lamborghini or Ferrari, as their performance bogey. It just so happens that in meeting that goal they also overtook some much more exotic cars on the block.
Nissan was not only competing with Porsche but also with the standard set by the GT-R's own heritage. That means the car had to be a lot of the things that it is, otherwise it would not be a real GT-R. So whether it fulfills some subjective personal ideas of what a supercar or exotic should be is not Nissan's problem nor the GT-R's. That's baggage that we continue to pile on the car. The GT-R is what it was meant to be. At some point we should all step back and appreciate what Nissan accomplished out of its check list of goals and admire the car for the technical and design marvel that it is.
Nissan was not only competing with Porsche but also with the standard set by the GT-R's own heritage. That means the car had to be a lot of the things that it is, otherwise it would not be a real GT-R. So whether it fulfills some subjective personal ideas of what a supercar or exotic should be is not Nissan's problem nor the GT-R's. That's baggage that we continue to pile on the car. The GT-R is what it was meant to be. At some point we should all step back and appreciate what Nissan accomplished out of its check list of goals and admire the car for the technical and design marvel that it is.
Like you said, Nissan met their performance goal, and it *just so happened* the GT-R achieves performance close/equal to some supercars, but THAT ALONE does NOT make it a true supercar.
Calling the GT-R a supercar is actually going *against* past GT-R heritage.
As for admiring the car/giving credit to Nissan, we get the point. There have been limitless threads already on that topic. That is NOT what this topic is about, so there is no need to admire or give respect to the GT-R for the millionth time in the millionth thread. This can be done in numerous other GT-R threads.
10-06-09, 01:53 PM
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According to the poll result, it IS a supercar
10-06-09, 02:19 PM
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10-06-09, 02:35 PM
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If nothing eles its Nissan's version of a supercar..regardless if the masses feel it is or not..
10-06-09, 03:00 PM
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I wonder if the people at Nissan get a good laugh out of debates like this... Whatever they did, whatever it is, Nissan did one hell of a job if you consider all the discussion it still stirs up.
The three most hated/bashed/praised/mentioned/etc. letters in the alphabet must be "G," "T," and "R." At least on the internet and near an automotive forum.
The three most hated/bashed/praised/mentioned/etc. letters in the alphabet must be "G," "T," and "R." At least on the internet and near an automotive forum.
10-06-09, 04:09 PM
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10-06-09, 06:49 PM
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First off let me say that I love the GT R and respect everything it does.
However, my vote is for neither a supercar, nor an exotic. It certainly has performance numbers that are "super", but it is too attainable, too common, and lacks the luxury component that would make it either a supercar or exotic.
But I guess that's just me. I guess I consider the definition of "supercar" and "exotic" to be very similar.
However, my vote is for neither a supercar, nor an exotic. It certainly has performance numbers that are "super", but it is too attainable, too common, and lacks the luxury component that would make it either a supercar or exotic.
But I guess that's just me. I guess I consider the definition of "supercar" and "exotic" to be very similar.
10-06-09, 09:37 PM
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That is the key point you hit right there. A successor to one of the most legendary Japanese sports cars. ALL previous GT-Rs were sports cars/sports sedans. No GT-R in the past has EVER been a supercar. So keeping in mind the GT-R's heritage, making a supercar has *nothing* to do with it's heritage.
Like you said, Nissan met their performance goal, and it *just so happened* the GT-R achieves performance close/equal to some supercars, but THAT ALONE does NOT make it a true supercar.
Calling the GT-R a supercar is actually going *against* past GT-R heritage.
As for admiring the car/giving credit to Nissan, we get the point. There have been limitless threads already on that topic. That is NOT what this topic is about, so there is no need to admire or give respect to the GT-R for the millionth time in the millionth thread. This can be done in numerous other GT-R threads.
Like you said, Nissan met their performance goal, and it *just so happened* the GT-R achieves performance close/equal to some supercars, but THAT ALONE does NOT make it a true supercar.
Calling the GT-R a supercar is actually going *against* past GT-R heritage.
As for admiring the car/giving credit to Nissan, we get the point. There have been limitless threads already on that topic. That is NOT what this topic is about, so there is no need to admire or give respect to the GT-R for the millionth time in the millionth thread. This can be done in numerous other GT-R threads.
10-06-09, 10:02 PM
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Let me remind everyone the R33 was the first production car that lapped the "Ring" under 8 minutes....
The performance has always been there in GT-R form....
The performance has always been there in GT-R form....