Review: 2010 Audi S4
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MB, as much as a softrider it is, it still handles better than than a Lexus, especially with the sport package.
Audi's steering and handles is probably second behind BMW, but very well implemented in both areas none the less, and yes they are comfy cruisers too. The best combo of handling and comfort in my opinion.
Infiniti does handle nice, but one need a neck brace to drive one of those.
Lexus are the sofest rider of the bunch, except for the GS-F, which need a neck brace to drive as well.
Acura, even with the SH-AWD, does not have the combo of ride comfort and handling like the European cars yet.
Caddy and Volvo suprising have made suspensions that are pretty good recently. The handling and comfort are very close to the German.
Again, those are my observation, I know you do not agree, but one thing we can agree on is that : The Japanese suspensions is getting better and better, a lot closer to the Germans in recent years, but they still need to work on their chassis rigidity.
Audi's steering and handles is probably second behind BMW, but very well implemented in both areas none the less, and yes they are comfy cruisers too. The best combo of handling and comfort in my opinion.
Infiniti does handle nice, but one need a neck brace to drive one of those.
Lexus are the sofest rider of the bunch, except for the GS-F, which need a neck brace to drive as well.
Acura, even with the SH-AWD, does not have the combo of ride comfort and handling like the European cars yet.
Caddy and Volvo suprising have made suspensions that are pretty good recently. The handling and comfort are very close to the German.
Again, those are my observation, I know you do not agree, but one thing we can agree on is that : The Japanese suspensions is getting better and better, a lot closer to the Germans in recent years, but they still need to work on their chassis rigidity.
So now the RL doesn't match them? Have you driven it? The car has gotten good reviews for its ride/handling mix. That is not one of its negatives.
Infiniti handles/steers better than Audi in most cases where they compete head on.
I don't think he should just make a blanket statement. But 1SICKLEX I do think German carmakers tend to have better suspension makeup than most Jap carmaker. Hey lets be honest most people purchase Lexus vehicles because their cars suspension is as soft as marshmallows and of course reliable. Definately not for handling.
Hey I don't think that's a bad thing.
I really don't think Lexus make a well balance suspension with feedback at the current moment other than the IS.
FYI: I have never driven a Infiniti so I have no comment on their cars.
Hey I don't think that's a bad thing.
I really don't think Lexus make a well balance suspension with feedback at the current moment other than the IS.
FYI: I have never driven a Infiniti so I have no comment on their cars.
Also, I didn't say in the cases of "sport" packages many times they are better. However again, Infiniti's seem to meet/beat them outside of BMW so again, you cannot say All Germans are sportier/better feeling than all Japanese. That is far from the truth.
It is a mix of both.
Sadly we don't get blessed with their anemic diesels, and base vehicles. The Germans have done a good job selling their better equipped models and advertising AMG/M at will to make people think every single vehicle they sell is some super saloon.
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Thanks again for another stellar post.
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Guy get this thread on the topic of the cars and off the people posting in the thread please. As a reminder this thread is about the Audi S4
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More nonsense.![Thumb Down](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/thumbsdown.gif)
Have you even been in an F?![Uhh...](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/1387914497.gif)
It certainly has that heavy door and tight closing like you always talk about, a higher level of trim and interior, and engine quality and soundness that is at par or better than the Germans.
P.S. My X5 is on it's way into the shop tomorrow for a major engine oil leak. The electronic display in the dash works periodically, the seats are a joke compared to either our F or Benz and the ergonomics are ridiculously bad. Who would have thought that designing functional cup holders would be so difficult? Build quality to be proud of.![Thumb Down](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/thumbsdown.gif)
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Have you even been in an F?
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It certainly has that heavy door and tight closing like you always talk about, a higher level of trim and interior, and engine quality and soundness that is at par or better than the Germans.
P.S. My X5 is on it's way into the shop tomorrow for a major engine oil leak. The electronic display in the dash works periodically, the seats are a joke compared to either our F or Benz and the ergonomics are ridiculously bad. Who would have thought that designing functional cup holders would be so difficult? Build quality to be proud of.
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M3 build quality was sub par compare to my IS350. Just doesn't feel like a luxury car.
Anyway, Thanks MM for a great review. Always love the S4 or RS4.
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I don't think he should just make a blanket statement. But 1SICKLEX I do think German carmakers tend to have better suspension makeup than most Jap carmaker. Hey lets be honest most people purchase Lexus vehicles because their cars suspension is as soft as marshmallows and of course reliable. Definately not for handling.
Hey I don't think that's a bad thing.
I really don't think Lexus make a well balance suspension with feedback at the current moment other than the IS.
Hey I don't think that's a bad thing.
I really don't think Lexus make a well balance suspension with feedback at the current moment other than the IS.
I agree with you, BTW, that upscale German cars in general, and particularly BMW, do the best job in chassis enginering and in balancing steering response, ride, and handling.
FYI: I have never driven a Infiniti so I have no comment on their cars.
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Lexus suspensions are not as soft as they used to be.....in fact, on some models (the ES in particular), I think they have been stiffened too much over their predecesors.
I agree with you, BTW, that upscale German cars in general, and particularly BMW, do the best job in chassis enginering and in balancing steering response, ride, and handling.
Most Infinitis are set up on the firm side, emphasizing handling over ride comfort. That seems to be the trend with most vehicles nowadays.
I agree with you, BTW, that upscale German cars in general, and particularly BMW, do the best job in chassis enginering and in balancing steering response, ride, and handling.
Most Infinitis are set up on the firm side, emphasizing handling over ride comfort. That seems to be the trend with most vehicles nowadays.
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If the new RS-4 becomes available in the American market, I might (?) try and get a test-drive to compare it...but they will probably be very hard to get.
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Thanks. ![Smilie](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Why?
You don't like nice trim quality? Or is it because most Audis pretty much look alike in the dash/gauge/steering wheel area?
Well, though they do come in some bright colors, Audi generally does not make their high-performance S and RS vehicles look like boy racers, with spoilers, racing stripes, air dams, etc..... That is just not Audi's way of doing things. People who want that kind of stuff will get a Subaru STI or Mitsubishi Evo.
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maybe it's just me, but i'm really getting tired of audi interior.
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Not a big fan of exterior because well it looks too much like A4.
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Definately a car that I aspire to own. I was listening to a customer at work the other day complaining about how Audi sold out by putting the 3.0L unit in this car for fuel economy. Maybe I am of a different generation, but I prefer the V6 to the V8. I look forward to the day when I am done grad school and can afford a new(er) car that doesnt have a clutch that is like putting your foot into jelly.
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Although some vehicles could definitely use a little more power (the AWD Cadillac SRX I just reviewed is a good example), with others, it is a different story......no matter what you put under the hood, some people are just never satisfied with them, and always want more. Your customer there sounds lke a good example of simply wanting overkill in a vehicle (the S4) that already has more than enough power from the turbo V6. And, today, the better V6s can keep up with or outperform a lot of V8s. Take the Audi S line here, for example. I drove the V8 last year in the Audi S5 (the one that your customer probably wants), and the turbo V6 I recently experiencd in the new S4 felt just as strong, if not stronger.
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Definately a car that I aspire to own. I was listening to a customer at work the other day complaining about how Audi sold out by putting the 3.0L unit in this car for fuel economy. Maybe I am of a different generation, but I prefer the V6 to the V8. I look forward to the day when I am done grad school and can afford a new(er) car that doesnt have a clutch that is like putting your foot into jelly.
I test drove the Audi 3.0L supercharge engine in the A6 a while back, its one heck of an engine. The torque band is much like like the BMW twin turbo in the 335, it starts at a mid teen in rpm and keeps going like a bat out of hell to well over a 100 MPH. The 3.0L supercharged engine in the S4 is a high performance version of that engine, I can only imagine how much fun is will be to drive that on a open road.
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