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Old 10-19-09, 01:06 AM
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Never heard about this but it looks liked a super glorified ES IMO, shouldn't be too bad.
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I believe the next GS will be based on this car as the Hs is based on the Avensis.. I can't see Lexus developing the 4th gen GS from scratch..

I am not feeling this Toyota X at all..
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To me this screams: ES
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@Mike, the Mark II/Mark X have always been bigger than the entry level sedans, closer to GS size, but not quite as big as the current GS. The chaser is the most IS-like.

I've never figured out why so many similar models in Japan... I guess they know what they are doing over there anyway.

@Everybody else this is an FR car, so no, not a Camry/ES clone although it's profile is similar.

**sigh** such a pity that these don't come with the Twin turbo 2.5 I6 1JZ anymore,,,
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Originally Posted by DASHOCKER
I believe the next GS will be based on this car as the Hs is based on the Avensis.. I can't see Lexus developing the 4th gen GS from scratch..

I am not feeling this Toyota X at all..
The 4GS/3IS/3SC will be on an all new platform. Whether this car shares it or not, I don't know.
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way to blur the line further between lexus and toyota.

toyota x, rwd, lexus es, fwd.
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Old 10-19-09, 09:15 AM
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As a fan of the Mark II Blit edition, I can say that this car does continue the tradition of the Mark II to this day. I have high hopes indeed for this vehicle.

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Press release (from Japan)
http://www2.toyota.co.jp/en/news/09/10/1019.html

October 19, 2009
Toyota Launches Redesigned 'Mark X'
Tokyo — TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION (TMC) announces the launch in Japan today of the redesigned "Mark X", which furthers the series' "sporty and luxurious" concept by offering enhanced quality in an authentic rear-wheel-drive sedan.


Mark X 250G S package, Relax Selection
(with options)

The Mark X features a dynamic low center of gravity that is combined with powerful driving performance made possible by a new 3.5-liter V6 engine. The style and driving performance of this upscale vehicle are in tune with adult sensibilities, delivering in-touch-with-the-road steering that responds instantaneously to the driver's every wish, stability at high speeds and a smooth comfortable ride.

In addition, the vehicle's environmental performance is at the top of its class1. The fuel efficiency of the Relax Selection two-wheel drive models exceeds the 2010 standards by 15%, qualifying them for incentives and subsidies under the Japanese government's taxation system for environmentally considerate vehicles.

The new Marx X, starting at an appealing 2.38 million yen, comes in a diverse lineup—standard type, sports type and premium type—to allow drivers to show their individuality.

(Products described in this press release and in any attachments are for the Japanese market.
Some descriptions apply to select model-grades/versions only.)

Monthly sales target for Japan:3,000 units

Assembly Plant: Motomachi Plant, Toyota Motor Corporation


Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Prices (Prices in Hokkaido and Okinawa differ)
Grade Engine Powertrain Transmission Price*1 (including
consumption tax)
250G F package 4GR-FSE
(V6, 2.5 liter)
regular gasoline Rear-wheel-drive 6 Super ECT*2 2,380,000 yen
2,674,250 yen
Relax Selection 2,690,000 yen
S package 2,937,500 yen
S package,
Relax Selection 2,990,000 yen
250G
Four F package Four-wheel drive 2,611,000 yen
2,905,250 yen
350S 2GR-FSE
(V6, 3.5 liter)
premium gasoline Rear-wheel-drive 3,525,000 yen
Premium 3,370,000 yen
L package 3,800,000 yen
*1Prices listed do not include recycling fees, *2Super intelligent,electronically-controlled, six-speed automatic transmission



Vehicle Outline

Rear-wheel drive package offers dynamic styling and exciting cruising

The design concept behind the Marx X is "glam tech"—combining the visual "glamour" conveyed by the vehicle with the "high-tech" expression of its modern and precise feel. The result is subtle contrast as well as a dynamic and stylish form.

The vehicle's silhouette is smooth and elegant, with expansive front and rear pillars to emphasize integration with the underbody.

The 1,435 mm height and 20 mm expansion for both width and track give the vehicle a low center of gravity.

Rear-wheel drive allows a front-and-rear weight distribution ratio of 54:46 for stable driving.

The bumper's wide opening and deep-set fog lights emphasize the face's low center of gravity and wide stance, while the three-lamp linear layout of the headlights and a mesh grille enhance the sense of vitality.

The combination taillights also have a three-lamp linear layout, while lights built into the lid of the trunk serve as a statement of class.

Six refined body colors are available, including the new Ice Titanium Mica Metallic.

The interior is sporty and dynamic, combining quality and precision that evokes a feeling of driving pleasure.

The leather-covered steering wheel's thicker ergonomic grip and a leather-booted gearshift add to the sporty feel.

The angles of the seat cushion and sides of the front seats have been optimized for superior hold. The driver's seat also features a switch-operated motorized lumbar support function that shifts the seatback forward or back to improve back comfort during driving.

The shoulder portion of the door trim for the front and rear seats has been pushed outward by 25 mm (total for left and right), while the distance between the front seats has been increased by 20 mm, resulting in a roomier interior.

Sports type (250G S package, 250G S package Relax Selection, 350S)
Sporty feel enhanced through tinting of headlights and combination taillights and through spoilers on front and rear bumpers and trunk lid
Interior features modern and robust black theme
Paddle shifter gives feel of manual transmission

Premium type (Premium, Premium L package)
Special plating on front grille, rocker moldings and front bumper enhance upscale image
Steering wheel and shift **** ornamentation boast wood-grain finish
Heated front seats effectively warm shoulders, lower back and legs
Power Easy Access System slides driver's seat back and tilts steering wheel upward and forward, increasing ease of ingress and egress
Refined velour-moquette seat covers are treated with mite-suppressing agent that also prevents static electricity, adding to passenger comfort

Sporty cruising performance and high-quality, comfortable ride

The new 3.5-liter V6 engine is paired with a 6 Super ECT with a driving response and acceleration management system to provide the ample and comfortable cruising characteristic of a full-scale rear-wheel drive sedan.

The 2.5-liter V6 engine (two-wheel drive) models offer outstanding acceleration, going from zero to 100km/h in just 8.4 seconds2.

Reduced friction resistance in the suspension and higher arm rigidity enhance maneuverability and provide in-touch-with-the-road steering and a smooth, comfortable ride. The sports type models are equipped with Adaptive Variable Suspension, which combines mono-tube shock absorbers and computer control of damping force, delivering an exceptional ride, superior handling and stable cruising performance.

Depending on the driving conditions, the driver can—at the flick of a switch—choose between the Sport, Snow and Eco driving modes to optimally control drive force.

The newly adopted Variable Gear Ratio Steering system, which controls the angle of the front wheels according to vehicle speed to improve steering performance, is coupled with optimized electric power steering, resulting in outstanding handling.

Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management coordinates the drive power, steering and brakes to ensure excellent stability and improve preventive safety.

Expanded use of vibration-dampening materials limits noise penetration, resulting in a quiet and comfortable cabin.


Improved safety features

Outstanding safety performance is achieved by equipping all vehicle models with seven airbags, including SRS (Supplemental Restraint System) side airbags, SRS curtain shield airbags, and a driver's seat knee airbag; VSC (Vehicle Stability Control) to control skidding; TRC (Traction Control) to minimize wheel spin when accelerating; and Active Headrests up front to reduce stress on the neck in a rear-end collision.

The vehicle's Pre-Crash Safety System uses millimeter-wave radar to detect potential collisions and alerts the driver through a warning buzzer and display. In line with the possibility of collision, the Pre-Crash Brake Assist system, Pre-Crash Brake system and Pre-Crash Seatbelts minimize collision damage to achieve a higher level of safety.

When cornering with the headlights on, the Intelligent AFS (Adaptive Front-lighting System) shifts the low beams to match the steering angle and vehicle speed, thereby enhancing visibility in the direction the vehicle is moving.

The new Radar Cruise Control system, equipped with a brake-control function, detects and monitors the preceding vehicle, maintaining a fixed distance, in line with the preceding vehicle's speed, within a preset speed range.

Hill-start Assist Control prevents the vehicle from rolling backward when switching from the brake to the accelerator during a start on a steep hill.


Comfort features enhance driving pleasure

The multi-information display, which indicates average fuel efficiency, possible cruising distance and other data, features enhanced visibility through the adoption of a high-contrast white, organic electroluminescent (EL) display.

Fully automatic independent temperature controls for the driver and passenger sides—standard on all models—feature a function to remove pollen, dust and other impurities from the air in the cabin. Meanwhile, Plasmacluster Ions®3 technology combats bacteria and creates a comfortable cabin atmosphere through the balanced release of positive and negative ions.

The 480-liter4 trunk is roomy enough to accommodate four golf bags.

An HDD navigation system (compatible with the G-BOOK mX telematics service) features multimedia and other advanced functions such as Map on Demand, which provides automatic map and information updates and door-to-door guidance that pinpoints directions to a destination.

The premium models come with a G-BOOK mX telematics service-compatible HDD navigation system with built-in terrestrial digital TV tuner and gear-shifting functions for driver support in merging and exiting and at intersections; 12 speakers optimally placed to provide sound quality comparable to a live performance.

The Intelligent Parking Assist system uses ultrasonic sensors installed in the front of the vehicle to detect parking-space parameters and help the driver parallel park or back into a parking space by informing the driver when to turn the steering wheel and where to start backing up.


Reduced environmental impact

Efforts were made to improve fuel efficiency and reduce CO2 emissions. The 2.5-liter two-wheel-drive models have a fuel efficiency of 13.0km/l5, while the 3.5-liter two-wheel-drive models have one of 10.2km/l5, thus placing both at the top of their vehicle classes1.
All vehicles in the series achieve emission levels 75% lower than the 2005 level required under the Japanese Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism Approval System for Low-emission Vehicles.

The Relax Selection two-wheel-drive models have fuel efficiency that exceeds by 15% the level stipulated in the Japanese 2010 standards set out under the Law Concerning the Rational Use of Energy, thereby qualifying them for incentives and subsidies under the Japanese government's taxation system for environmentally friendly vehicles.

All 2.5-liter models meet the Japanese 2010 standards and qualify for subsidies6.

An Eco Driving Indicator that lights up to signify fuel-efficient vehicle operation and an Eco Zone Indicator that shows throttle use—standard on all models—raise driver awareness of environmentally considerate driving.

Eco-VAS (Eco-Vehicle Assessment System)—Toyota's original comprehensive environmental impact assessment system—was implemented to efficiently reduce overall environmental impact throughout the vehicle's lifecycle.

A review of the materials, processing methods and adhesives used for interior parts helped reduce the amount of volatile organic compounds (VOCs), such as formaldehyde, as well as the discomforting odors sometimes resulting from such materials, to levels below those outlined in the Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association's "Vehicle Cabin VOC Testing Methods (for Passenger Cars)", which are the industry's voluntary standards.

The door trim and carpet are made of low-VOC materials and the front console box is made from VOC-free water-based urethane synthetic leather.



1Compared to vehicles of similar engine displacement
2Based on TMC calculations
3Registered trademark of Sharp Corporation
4Based on Verband der Automobilindustrie measuring method
5Measured using the 10-15 test cycle of the Japanese Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism (MLIT). The fuel efficiency indicated for the 2.5-liter front-wheel drive models is for the 250G model, which weighs 1,410kg.
6New-vehicle only, in conjunction with disposal of an end-of-life vehicle


END

Nice stuff and I hope when they mean release in some parts of Asia, I do hope that Toyota Japan makes LHD versions so they can sell them here in the Philippines. If they do that, then I'd take this anytime over an Asian Camry

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Old 10-19-09, 09:44 AM
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I disagree. This does not look like an ES at all. The exterior styling is far more muscular and athletic than the ES. The car also has different proportions than the ES.

Here is the previous generation Mark X for comparison:




The previous generation had a clean, but bland exterior. The new exterior is more angry and aggressive.

Originally Posted by FinalBurst
What did they do to the interior? The current generation one is leagues beyond it.
Previous interior:




New interior:




The new interior look more focused and sporty. The previous one does have certain areas that are better than the current interior, but the previous interior looks a bit more luxury. This will further separate the Mark X from other Toyota JDM sedans and Lexus sedans.

The seats in the new interior have better bolstering.

Originally Posted by MR_F1
The 4GS/3IS/3SC will be on an all new platform. Whether this car shares it or not, I don't know.
Really, has this been confirmed anywhere? Interesting if true.

Originally Posted by bitkahuna
way to blur the line further between lexus and toyota.

toyota x, rwd, lexus es, fwd.
This car is mainly for the JDM market, and some neighboring Asian markets. The Toyota Mark has a huge following and history/heritage in Japan and neighboring countries. The ES is not sold in Japan anyways.
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Old 10-19-09, 09:46 AM
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More pics (this looks far more aggressive than the ES):





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Old 10-19-09, 09:50 AM
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I'd like to see one in person, my guess is that it would look pretty good, fairly aggressive and substantial.
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Old 10-19-09, 09:54 AM
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The interior looks quite good in different (wood) trim.
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Old 10-19-09, 10:34 AM
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Also maybe someone from Japan can confirm this, but I heard this new Mark X starts at a lower price than the previous generation.
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Old 10-19-09, 10:46 AM
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Hmm,, alot of ES "inspired" styling to this car. Front end def reminds me of the ES, just in wayyy more muscular proportion. Rear end, not really feeling at all. Tails look like they came from the Corolla and were refined a little to give it a more agressive look. Overall, not a bad looking car at all. I guess I can say, I don't hate it, for now, just not in love with it either. Will have to reserve further judgement once more exposure is available.
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Old 10-19-09, 10:52 AM
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1-awesome front seats
2-Is it just me, or does the front of that car share cues with the FT-86 concept?
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Old 10-19-09, 11:05 AM
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I'm lost on how people think there is ES in it? If anything the window shape reminds me of the Camry but that is all.

THe front end is low, aggressive but very busy to me. The fender flares are pretty aggressive as well.

Overall its nice but I much prefer the IS since its more cohesive.
 


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