Next-Generation Acura RL to Reassert Flagship Position Within Acura Lineup; stays V-6
10-28-09, 04:31 PM
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Acura isn't tier 1 and they stated they are not. They have now given up those aspirations.
The rl and zdx r midlevel in price and execution period.
10-28-09, 04:54 PM
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The addition of expensive SUV's to today's auto market, unfortunately, has muddied the waters a little on how to define a company's "flagship". In a conventional sense, I agree with you that the LS is the flagship, if you simply consider sedans/coupes......in other words, regular passenger cars. But if you look at base and sticker prices (one of the classic indicators of an automaker's heiarchy) you will find that many LX models list for more than their LS cousins. The only real exception, of course, is the LS600H.....that, of course, meets the definition of a "flagship" any way you look at it.
on the other hand acura is confusing starting from their press
10-28-09, 05:18 PM
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i disagree completely. price is not a definite value of flagship. and the key is lexus never use the word flagship with the LX, it's always with the LS, period. there isn't any confusion on this at all. it's just like the mb s class, that's flagship, you won't see the sl being flagship although it's more expensive most of the time
on the other hand acura is confusing starting from their press
on the other hand acura is confusing starting from their press
10-28-09, 05:39 PM
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10-28-09, 05:40 PM
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i disagree completely. price is not a definite value of flagship. and the key is lexus never use the word flagship with the LX, it's always with the LS, period. there isn't any confusion on this at all. it's just like the mb s class, that's flagship, you won't see the sl being flagship although it's more expensive most of the time
OK, we'll leave it at that.
No sense tossing the issue back and forth.
10-28-09, 05:47 PM
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Never mind the LS600hL, the most expensive LS460L anyone can configure is at least $10,000+ more than a loaded LX570, so even when you look at prices, the LX570 cannot be considered a flagship.
10-28-09, 05:54 PM
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(just kidding)
I still remember when you bought your LS. We were all guessing the color for a long time.
10-28-09, 08:29 PM
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I found some interesting info from another site/forum:
So assuming this information is true, that means Honda cancelled the V8 project, they cancelled their RWD platform, and they cancelled a larger Civic.
That means the current-gen Civic might have a longer, stretched life cycle.
So Honda seems to be overhauling their future product plans, yet Honda claims they don't have money and they are lacking manpower.
Cheaper, lighter, more efficient products would be welcomed, but right now it still seems the company is in disarray and rife with internal conflict.
From a competition point-of-view, not good for Honda no matter how you look at it. Overhauling their future products will delay them putting Honda under more competitive pressure.
Prior to the collapse of Lehman Brothers, Ito says Honda was developing a V8, an RWD platform and a larger successor to the Civic.
Originally Posted by Ito
We are taking more time to rethink the new Civic and all our models. We had to revisit our development work and planning to comply with the change in the environment
That means the current-gen Civic might have a longer, stretched life cycle.
“The team is struggling,” admits Ito. “We are injecting more manpower to meet our target.”
Originally Posted by Ito
The easiest option would be to make products cheaper, but we have to not only cut the price but also maintain the highest quality. This applies to all models, but the biggest is the world Civic.
Cheaper, lighter, more efficient products would be welcomed, but right now it still seems the company is in disarray and rife with internal conflict.
From a competition point-of-view, not good for Honda no matter how you look at it. Overhauling their future products will delay them putting Honda under more competitive pressure.
10-28-09, 08:37 PM
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Why doesn't Honda have the resources? They are the 2nd largest automaker in Japan. I understand that they haven't been selling as many cars as they would like, but nevertheless, they gotta have something. If Ford can do it they should be able to.
10-28-09, 08:43 PM
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They should be pleased this is a big thread considering we are basically talking about hot air.
I've just read TODAY that Acura will be getting a car slotted BELOW the TSX to drive volume. I mean they talk so much I won't even make another thread about it.
10-28-09, 08:58 PM
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On that, I'd bet the monthly rent.
10-28-09, 09:04 PM
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Quite frankly I am beyond tired of the "talk". One day they say this, the other day that, then they change their minds, then they blame this, then this is where they are going.
They should be pleased this is a big thread considering we are basically talking about hot air.
I've just read TODAY that Acura will be getting a car slotted BELOW the TSX to drive volume. I mean they talk so much I won't even make another thread about it.
They should be pleased this is a big thread considering we are basically talking about hot air.
I've just read TODAY that Acura will be getting a car slotted BELOW the TSX to drive volume. I mean they talk so much I won't even make another thread about it.
. That car sounds like the CSX we have here in Canada, which is just a rebadged Civic. Sounds like Honda wants Acura to go both downmarket *and* upmarket at the same time 
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10-29-09, 05:39 AM
#119
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Lexus's flagship is the LS, BMW have the 7 series as their flagship. MB's flagship is the S-class and Audi is the A8. Acura use to call the RL their flagship until its sales numbers took a dump, now the ZDX is their flagship because the RL is not selling well and they want the ZDX to get off to a good start. Pretty soon the new RL will be their flagship again. You guys see a pattern here, Acura is more confuse than their customers as to what car is their flagship. This is a sure sign of a company that has lost it root identity and future direction. It almost seem like Acura at this point is just throw everything at the wall and see what sticks.
