Consumer Reports Annual Car Reliability Survey (updated October 2011)
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toyota started offering 5 year/unlimited warranty in europe in some countries, and it is far more comprehensive than Hyundai/KIA. But of course, it is all marketing cost and considered so.
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the ones that Ford has come out with just are nowhere near as pleasant to drive....at least the ones I myself have sampled in the Fiesta and Focus. And, don't forget......a significant part of a transmission's reliability is gauged in how hard it is driven and/or abused.
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And, as far as reliability goes, American-badged cars, as a whole, aren't necessarily the worst. There are brands from Europe, some quite expensive, that are perenially down at the very bottom.
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Porsche has dropped from second to 27th? That's amazing.
For those who don't want to read the whole thing, here is the ranking:
1. Scion
2. Lexus
3. Acura
4. Mazda
5. Honda
6. Toyota
7. Infiniti
8. Subaru
9. Nissan
10. Volvo
11. Hyundai
12. Kia
13. Jeep
14. ? Lincoln or Saab?
15. Chrysler
16. Volkswagen
17. Chevrolet
18. Mercedes-Benz
19. BMW
20. Ford
21. Dodge
22. GMC
23. Mini
24. Buick
25. Cadillac
26. Audi
27. Porsche
28. Jaguar
For those who don't want to read the whole thing, here is the ranking:
1. Scion
2. Lexus
3. Acura
4. Mazda
5. Honda
6. Toyota
7. Infiniti
8. Subaru
9. Nissan
10. Volvo
11. Hyundai
12. Kia
13. Jeep
14. ? Lincoln or Saab?
15. Chrysler
16. Volkswagen
17. Chevrolet
18. Mercedes-Benz
19. BMW
20. Ford
21. Dodge
22. GMC
23. Mini
24. Buick
25. Cadillac
26. Audi
27. Porsche
28. Jaguar
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http://www.hyundaiusa.com/assurance/...-warranty.aspx
The 10-year warranty is only 10 years on the powertrain, first of all. Secondly, it only applies to original owner only. 2nd owners automatically get dropped down to a 6 year warranty. So when buying a Hyundai/Kia used, the 10 year warranty doesn't apply, and doesn't exactly help out with any reliability worries. Basically it's almost like Hyundai is punishing you for buying used, and reduces the warranty if you are the 2nd owner.
Furthermore, the warranty excludes vehicle in commercial use, like taxi service, delivery vehicles, or rental cars. Most of the competition have no such limitations on their warranties. Vehicles in commercial situations go through a lot of hard abuse and tough situations, so the fact that Hyundai/Kia doesn't include it in their warranty only further raises doubts about long-term reliability of their vehicles.
The only good thing their warranty has is that for hybrid components, the warranty is transferable to 2nd owners. So you won't get a reduced warranty buying a used hybrid Hyundai, but that only applies to the hybrid components warranty.
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No, not really. Like most things related to Hyundai/Kia, their warranty is full of fluff and hype, just like their products. Lots of hype, little substance.
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/assurance/...-warranty.aspx
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/assurance/...-warranty.aspx
Does the warranty not work for second owners? Yes, but that applies to other brands as well. For the purposes of this thread and in relation to new car reliability, it is a consideration for new car buyers as it does mean the first owner will have less repair bills several years down the line.
And truth be told, drivetrain warranties are MORE important than the overall warranty because the little bits and pieces that might fail on a car usually happen in the first couple years while the big expensive bill repair jobs are the out of warranty drivetrain repairs. You don't want to have to pay for an automatic transmission repair job out of pocket... The only exception IMO are sunroofs. I'll never buy a car with a sunroof unless I can fix it myself, they are NEVER worth the trouble they eventually cause (on ANY brand mind you, they all go bad at some point).
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Furthermore, the warranty excludes vehicle in commercial use, like taxi service, delivery vehicles, or rental cars. Most of the competition have no such limitations on their warranties. Vehicles in commercial situations go through a lot of hard abuse and tough situations, so the fact that Hyundai/Kia doesn't include it in their warranty only further raises doubts about long-term reliability of their vehicles.