Jaguar Pusses Out Of Jalopnik Vs. GM Race
10-27-09, 02:11 PM
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Jaguar ****** Out Of Jalopnik Vs. GM Race
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Jaguar PR just called saying they've withdrawn their pledge to let Wes race the XFR Thursday against GM's Bob Lutz in a Cadillac CTS-V. Apparently, not because they're afraid to lose, they're afraid the XFR just can't take it. Pussies.
It's true. Stuart Schorr, Jaguar's main product PR man, told us flat out he expected the XFR would lose to the CTS-V, so it's not that he's afraid to lose to "Maximum" Bob Lutz.
Instead, they're afraid the XFR can't handle the strain. Specifically, the brakes. Without better brake cooling, Schorr tells us his folks are concerned the XFR just cant put the necessary laps in.
So what does this mean for us? Well, it means we're still racing Lutz — except now, since Mercedes and now Jaguar weren't willing to stand by their product for five laps in a time attack race versus the CTS-V, we're beginning to believe the CTS-V is the only production luxury sedan on the market wiling to stand by its lofty claims of performance cred. So we'll race against Lutz using his own CTS-V — and probably the Evo we'll drive up there in.
Unless, of course, some other automaker's less feline than those we've already tried. Any automaker want to put their fast four-door where their mouth is — e-mail me.
Jaguar PR just called saying they've withdrawn their pledge to let Wes race the XFR Thursday against GM's Bob Lutz in a Cadillac CTS-V. Apparently, not because they're afraid to lose, they're afraid the XFR just can't take it. Pussies.
It's true. Stuart Schorr, Jaguar's main product PR man, told us flat out he expected the XFR would lose to the CTS-V, so it's not that he's afraid to lose to "Maximum" Bob Lutz.
Instead, they're afraid the XFR can't handle the strain. Specifically, the brakes. Without better brake cooling, Schorr tells us his folks are concerned the XFR just cant put the necessary laps in.
So what does this mean for us? Well, it means we're still racing Lutz — except now, since Mercedes and now Jaguar weren't willing to stand by their product for five laps in a time attack race versus the CTS-V, we're beginning to believe the CTS-V is the only production luxury sedan on the market wiling to stand by its lofty claims of performance cred. So we'll race against Lutz using his own CTS-V — and probably the Evo we'll drive up there in.
Unless, of course, some other automaker's less feline than those we've already tried. Any automaker want to put their fast four-door where their mouth is — e-mail me.
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Jaguar PR just called saying they've withdrawn their pledge to let Wes race the XFR Thursday against GM's Bob Lutz in a Cadillac CTS-V. Apparently, not because they're afraid to lose, they're afraid the XFR just can't take it. Pussies.
It's true. Stuart Schorr, Jaguar's main product PR man, told us flat out he expected the XFR would lose to the CTS-V, so it's not that he's afraid to lose to "Maximum" Bob Lutz.
Instead, they're afraid the XFR can't handle the strain. Specifically, the brakes. Without better brake cooling, Schorr tells us his folks are concerned the XFR just cant put the necessary laps in.
So what does this mean for us? Well, it means we're still racing Lutz — except now, since Mercedes and now Jaguar weren't willing to stand by their product for five laps in a time attack race versus the CTS-V, we're beginning to believe the CTS-V is the only production luxury sedan on the market wiling to stand by its lofty claims of performance cred. So we'll race against Lutz using his own CTS-V — and probably the Evo we'll drive up there in.
Unless, of course, some other automaker's less feline than those we've already tried. Any automaker want to put their fast four-door where their mouth is — e-mail me.
Jaguar PR just called saying they've withdrawn their pledge to let Wes race the XFR Thursday against GM's Bob Lutz in a Cadillac CTS-V. Apparently, not because they're afraid to lose, they're afraid the XFR just can't take it. Pussies.
It's true. Stuart Schorr, Jaguar's main product PR man, told us flat out he expected the XFR would lose to the CTS-V, so it's not that he's afraid to lose to "Maximum" Bob Lutz.
Instead, they're afraid the XFR can't handle the strain. Specifically, the brakes. Without better brake cooling, Schorr tells us his folks are concerned the XFR just cant put the necessary laps in.
So what does this mean for us? Well, it means we're still racing Lutz — except now, since Mercedes and now Jaguar weren't willing to stand by their product for five laps in a time attack race versus the CTS-V, we're beginning to believe the CTS-V is the only production luxury sedan on the market wiling to stand by its lofty claims of performance cred. So we'll race against Lutz using his own CTS-V — and probably the Evo we'll drive up there in.
Unless, of course, some other automaker's less feline than those we've already tried. Any automaker want to put their fast four-door where their mouth is — e-mail me.
.Surprising Mercedes dropped out as well.
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What is to be gained by BMW, Mercedes, Jag, Lexus, or any other luxury automobile manufacturer in putting up a vehicle for this challenge? Nothing... that's what. It would be like Hyundai issuing a challenge with the V8 Genesis and calling Lexus, Audi, BMW, etc... a chicken for not sending out a car to compete against it.
These brands have nothing to gain and everything to lose. If Jalopnik wants to make a fuss, then pony up the money yourself and place a Jalopnik owned Jag/BMW/MB against the CTS-V.
These brands have nothing to gain and everything to lose. If Jalopnik wants to make a fuss, then pony up the money yourself and place a Jalopnik owned Jag/BMW/MB against the CTS-V.
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What is to be gained by BMW, Mercedes, Jag, Lexus, or any other luxury automobile manufacturer in putting up a vehicle for this challenge? Nothing... that's what. It would be like Hyundai issuing a challenge with the V8 Genesis and calling Lexus, Audi, BMW, etc... a chicken for not sending out a car to compete against it.
These brands have nothing to gain and everything to lose. If Jalopnik wants to make a fuss, then pony up the money yourself and place a Jalopnik owned Jag/BMW/MB against the CTS-V.
These brands have nothing to gain and everything to lose. If Jalopnik wants to make a fuss, then pony up the money yourself and place a Jalopnik owned Jag/BMW/MB against the CTS-V.
10-28-09, 07:22 PM
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well, I guess one of the reason's due to things like 6 vs 8 comparison up the mountain with E550, 550i, XF, quattroporte, and Lincoln MKS, 550i's first, then MKS, E550, XF, Quattroporte.
people who throw down challenges most likely did their research to know they CAN win...
I don't know why bother putting in a EVO MR though, it's heavy, power wasting AWD, much less power than required in the race....
people who throw down challenges most likely did their research to know they CAN win...
I don't know why bother putting in a EVO MR though, it's heavy, power wasting AWD, much less power than required in the race....
10-28-09, 07:32 PM
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What happened to just having some "fun"? Isn't that what these vehicles are for. I doubt one car beats any other car by a huge margin. So what if you lose by .5 tenths of a second. What happened to do something to make ALL enthusiasts grin! Let the dumbasses on the internet bicker over things they have no idea about. Let them mock a car that loses by a second. Who cares. Participate, show up to the fight!
If the XFR can't handle the laps, then it shouldn't be labeled a XFR. Another example of a car with more and more power and everything else plays second fiddle.
I know its a different vehicle but what sold me on the IS-F was watching and taking and driving it from 9am to 5pm non stop on the track ***** OUT and the only thing that happened to one of the vehicles was one of the tires blew out and needed replacing.
The brakes held up like a champ. Mind you plenty of laps were with 4 people in the vehicle. The cars didn't need a break. The Engine's didn't overheat (remember the 335 that overheated vs the G37 in MT), the A/C blew cold air, the car handled amazingly.
For 8 hours.
If the XFR can't handle the laps, then it shouldn't be labeled a XFR. Another example of a car with more and more power and everything else plays second fiddle.
I know its a different vehicle but what sold me on the IS-F was watching and taking and driving it from 9am to 5pm non stop on the track ***** OUT and the only thing that happened to one of the vehicles was one of the tires blew out and needed replacing.
The brakes held up like a champ. Mind you plenty of laps were with 4 people in the vehicle. The cars didn't need a break. The Engine's didn't overheat (remember the 335 that overheated vs the G37 in MT), the A/C blew cold air, the car handled amazingly.
For 8 hours.
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well, I guess one of the reason's due to things like 6 vs 8 comparison up the mountain with E550, 550i, XF, quattroporte, and Lincoln MKS, 550i's first, then MKS, E550, XF, Quattroporte.
people who throw down challenges most likely did their research to know they CAN win...
I don't know why bother putting in a EVO MR though, it's heavy, power wasting AWD, much less power than required in the race....
people who throw down challenges most likely did their research to know they CAN win...
I don't know why bother putting in a EVO MR though, it's heavy, power wasting AWD, much less power than required in the race....
What is this statement based on? Any seat experience?
MR is 11-12 sec slower then the CTS V around the ring. Thats a small margin considering the power difference and the long stretches the ring has.
on a shorter, tighter track or on a skip pad, MR will eat CTS V alive.