October 2009 Official Sales Thread
11-04-09, 06:36 PM
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Definitely agreed.
Of course the coupe counts, WHY ELSE would Hyundai name the coupe the Genesis coupe and not the Tiburon? Obviously Hyundai has positioned the coupe to be part of the Genesis line, and also combining sales with the sedan makes both the coupe and sedan sales look better than they really are, despite the coupe and sedan being two distinctly different products.
Of course the coupe counts, WHY ELSE would Hyundai name the coupe the Genesis coupe and not the Tiburon? Obviously Hyundai has positioned the coupe to be part of the Genesis line, and also combining sales with the sedan makes both the coupe and sedan sales look better than they really are, despite the coupe and sedan being two distinctly different products.
who knows...
anyway, hype doesn't always translate to sales. but hype does help the brand's perception. these two cars are worthy of massive hype. it's great friggin cars. if you haven't driven one go ahead and try it. you wouldn't believe how far hyundai has come. genesis won the most awards, and gen coupe held its own against many great cars. both of these cars aren't perfect, but it's a sign of a promising future. these two cars brought nothing but positive for hyundai. just think about it. before these two cars, they were just a value brand with boring lineups.
11-04-09, 07:39 PM
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assumption at its best. No one knows why hyundai named BK a genesis coupe. maybe hyundai is hinting a new luxury brand? maybe they couldn't think of a better name? maybe it was just too good to be called a tiburon?
who knows...
anyway, hype doesn't always translate to sales. but hype does help the brand's perception. these two cars are worthy of massive hype. it's great friggin cars. if you haven't driven one go ahead and try it. you wouldn't believe how far hyundai has come. genesis won the most awards, and gen coupe held its own against many great cars. both of these cars aren't perfect, but it's a sign of a promising future. these two cars brought nothing but positive for hyundai. just think about it. before these two cars, they were just a value brand with boring lineups.
who knows...
anyway, hype doesn't always translate to sales. but hype does help the brand's perception. these two cars are worthy of massive hype. it's great friggin cars. if you haven't driven one go ahead and try it. you wouldn't believe how far hyundai has come. genesis won the most awards, and gen coupe held its own against many great cars. both of these cars aren't perfect, but it's a sign of a promising future. these two cars brought nothing but positive for hyundai. just think about it. before these two cars, they were just a value brand with boring lineups.
Yes, the Genesis coupe and sedan are the best thing since sliced bread, and they are monumental products for Hyundai, we get it
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11-05-09, 09:02 AM
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October 2009 Japan sales
Top 10 sales - Japan
1. Toyota Prius - 31,728
2. Honda Fit - 17,241
3. Toyota Vitz - 12,731
4. Toyota Passo - 10,792
5. Honda Insight - 10,289
6. Honda Freed - 9,123
7. Nissan Note - 9,091
8. Nissan Serena - 8,827
9. Nissan Cube - 7,632
10. Toyota Wish - 7,468
1. Toyota Prius - 31,728
2. Honda Fit - 17,241
3. Toyota Vitz - 12,731
4. Toyota Passo - 10,792
5. Honda Insight - 10,289
6. Honda Freed - 9,123
7. Nissan Note - 9,091
8. Nissan Serena - 8,827
9. Nissan Cube - 7,632
10. Toyota Wish - 7,468
11-05-09, 09:31 AM
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4 Toyotas
3 Hondas
3 Nissans. The 3 Nissans don't equal Prius sales either.
11-05-09, 09:37 AM
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Toyota has been by far, number one in sales, market share, influence, etc. in Japan for a long time. Honda historically was usually number two, but a few years ago they lost their 2nd place in the market to Nissan and dropped to 3rd, but regained it not that long ago. It's still very close between Nissan and Honda though in the Japanese market.
11-05-09, 12:20 PM
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In relation to the Pruis, sure the Insight in Japan and in the states is not selling well, but the original sales goal for the Insight in Japan was 60,000 units. The Insight is currently doubling it's sales goal in Japan. They are nowhere near their US goals though.
11-05-09, 01:22 PM
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- Fact: the Genesis is one of the lowest selling cars in it's price range, and in the entry-level luxury class.
the second part is your opinion, i don't consider it 'entry level'. it's rwd and offers a V8, making it more GS (only better value) than ES (a buick that works).
Yes goals are just that, goals but this is not the first time Hyundai has had lofty and unrealistic goals and it is not the first time they've failed to meet their goals. This is failure for Hyundai because *once again* they have inaccurately predicted demand for one of their products and have incorrectly judged the market. If a company continually makes unrealistic sales goals and never learns from their mistakes that is very clearly failure.
When the coupe came out, there was BIG hype about it, including hype from certain CL members that shall remain nameless, but they know who they are.
Acura, Infiniti, Audi would "love" to have Genesis sales? What are you talking about? Even the Acura TL, which is struggling sales-wise right now, outsold the Genesis coupe and sedan combined and will CONTINUE to outsell the Genesis coupe and sedan most likely in the future. That shows just how BAD Genesis sales are. The Infiniti G sedan alone outsold the Genesis line, and the Audi A4 had sales almost double that of the Genesis line for October.
- Fact: C-Class, E-Class, and M-Class accounted for 69% of Mercedes sales
- Fact: the Infiniti G *alone* accounted for 60% of Infiniti sales
- Fact: 3 Series, 5 Series, and X5 accounted for 82% of BMW sales
- Fact: A4, A5, and Q5 accounted for 73% of Audi sales
- Based on my calculations, for the month IS, ES, and RX accounted for 81% of Lexus sales, not 85%. Not sure where you got 85% from.
- Fact: the Infiniti G *alone* accounted for 60% of Infiniti sales
- Fact: 3 Series, 5 Series, and X5 accounted for 82% of BMW sales
- Fact: A4, A5, and Q5 accounted for 73% of Audi sales
- Based on my calculations, for the month IS, ES, and RX accounted for 81% of Lexus sales, not 85%. Not sure where you got 85% from.
I won't even bring up the fact that GX inventory is almost non-existent because the 2nd-gen GX is about to go on-sale in about 2 months or so.
So in summation, what exactly is your point?
you think the genesis is a failure, because it hasn't met hyundai's announced sales projections, and i don't.
have a nice day.
11-05-09, 02:25 PM
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absurd comparisons IMO because those vehicles have been on the market for a decade or more, and gone through many iterations and are sold by dedicated luxury brands. plus a TL isn't comparable to a genesis. but keep drinking the koolaid. see, i don't care about hyundai's projections, i only care about your beloved 'facts', and to sell ANY significant amount of a NEW luxury car, under a brand not known for it, in one of the worst economies in memory, is IMO, remarkable. but you see it as an epic failure, so okay.
You did a great job contradicting yourself, because here you said earlier:
Originally Posted by bitkahuna
acura, audi, infiniti would love to have genesis sales "failure".
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11-05-09, 02:29 PM
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TRDFantasy,
In relation to the Pruis, sure the Insight in Japan and in the states is not selling well, but the original sales goal for the Insight in Japan was 60,000 units. The Insight is currently doubling it's sales goal in Japan. They are nowhere near their US goals though.
In relation to the Pruis, sure the Insight in Japan and in the states is not selling well, but the original sales goal for the Insight in Japan was 60,000 units. The Insight is currently doubling it's sales goal in Japan. They are nowhere near their US goals though.
11-06-09, 07:10 AM
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You did a great job contradicting yourself, because here you said earlier:
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11-06-09, 12:02 PM
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39 GS hybrids, and 21 LS hybrids were sold for the month.
That is a huge jump actually for GS hybrid sales compared to October 2008. LS hybrid sales are down, but that is to be expected as almost all vehicles in the prestige luxury segment are down.
Also 1,407 Camry hybrids and 700 Highlander hybrids were sold for the month.
It's quite amazing, but after the Prius the best-selling hybrids from Toyota were the HS and the RX hybrid for the month.
That is a huge jump actually for GS hybrid sales compared to October 2008. LS hybrid sales are down, but that is to be expected as almost all vehicles in the prestige luxury segment are down.
Also 1,407 Camry hybrids and 700 Highlander hybrids were sold for the month.
It's quite amazing, but after the Prius the best-selling hybrids from Toyota were the HS and the RX hybrid for the month.