Lexus GX 460 to debut on November 23, 2009 at Guangzhou Auto Show
11-16-09, 12:34 PM
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All of GM's hybrid BOF SUVs are mild hybrids I believe and if you look at their EPA mileage it still sucks.
I don't really think so. Most GX's I see are driven by soccer moms and soccer dads that don't even need a BOF SUV. A midsized crossover (ala GL, X5, Q7) is what Lexus needs.
I don't really think so. Most GX's I see are driven by soccer moms and soccer dads that don't even need a BOF SUV. A midsized crossover (ala GL, X5, Q7) is what Lexus needs.
11-16-09, 12:39 PM
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The Tahoe and Silverado hybrids are full hybrids. Their mileage sucks because GM paired them with one of the biggest V8s in their arsenal rather than an efficient V6 which would have sufficed. For reference, the much smaller Vue full hybrid when paired with the 3.6L engine was supposedly expecting a rating of 28/31 if I remember correctly. GM chose power over efficiency, thus they are not selling well. I am seeing more of them. I'd be interested to see some real world #s.
11-16-09, 02:47 PM
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It's probably cheaper for coporate to just rebadge the Prado instead of switching the GX's platform. There are still rumors that a GS based crossover could be in the works, but if I were Toyota/Lexus I would just make an RX350/450L to maximize on the RX "brand". Imagine how many sales the RX would add by having a LWB 3 row seat version. It would also add to the RX's appeal for larger families.
11-16-09, 04:37 PM
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Toyota/Lexus need LESS SUVs/Crossovers, not more.
As is, the Lexus SUV lineup is pretty good, I think on the Toyota end, the LC needs to take a leave of absence from the american market, and let the LX pick up where it left off. The FJ is cool, but really, it's almost the same size as the new 4Runner... maybe a 4Runner 2 door could take it's place?
As is, the Lexus SUV lineup is pretty good, I think on the Toyota end, the LC needs to take a leave of absence from the american market, and let the LX pick up where it left off. The FJ is cool, but really, it's almost the same size as the new 4Runner... maybe a 4Runner 2 door could take it's place?
11-16-09, 05:07 PM
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Toyota/Lexus need LESS SUVs/Crossovers, not more.
As is, the Lexus SUV lineup is pretty good, I think on the Toyota end, the LC needs to take a leave of absence from the american market, and let the LX pick up where it left off. The FJ is cool, but really, it's almost the same size as the new 4Runner... maybe a 4Runner 2 door could take it's place?
As is, the Lexus SUV lineup is pretty good, I think on the Toyota end, the LC needs to take a leave of absence from the american market, and let the LX pick up where it left off. The FJ is cool, but really, it's almost the same size as the new 4Runner... maybe a 4Runner 2 door could take it's place?
As for Toyota I agree with what you said. The 4runner could even go and not be missed by many.
11-16-09, 07:52 PM
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Toyota definitely needs less SUV/CUVs in their lineup. But Lexus could use a fuel efficient large crossover slotted above the RX. I honestly doubt the new GX's 3rd row will be anything significant due to the fact that it's a BOF. A crossover to compete more directly with the GL/Q7/X5 would be good for the lineup. Remember that 40% of Lexus's US sales are the RX so adding another CUV wouldn't be a bad thing. A CUV isn't a "necessity" for Lexus. A necessity would be a coupe or two.
As for Toyota I agree with what you said. The 4runner could even go and not be missed by many.
As for Toyota I agree with what you said. The 4runner could even go and not be missed by many.
Also, On the contrary, the 4Runner would be missed.
11-17-09, 04:39 AM
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Agreed.
"Fuel efficient" and "larger than RX" is somewhat of an oxymoron. All the GX needs is a diesel and better onroad manners to better compete with the X5 et al.... they aren't much bigger, if at all, what would be the point?
Also, On the contrary, the 4Runner would be missed.
"Fuel efficient" and "larger than RX" is somewhat of an oxymoron. All the GX needs is a diesel and better onroad manners to better compete with the X5 et al.... they aren't much bigger, if at all, what would be the point?
Also, On the contrary, the 4Runner would be missed.
But the thing is - all these SUV's will still be produced because they are sold in other markets in the world. So it does not make any sense for Toyota not letting you order it in USA when cars are already available everywhere else.
11-17-09, 04:45 AM
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I have no idea why would anyone in the usa chose diesel V8 vs petrol V8. It uses more gas, but it is much faster, smoother. Here where we have choice between petrol or diesel V8 Land Cruiser 200, diesel engine option is also a lot more expensive, negating any mpg gains. Now reason people buy diesel here regardless is that you would never be able to sell used petrol V8.. ever.
11-17-09, 05:21 AM
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11-17-09, 05:23 AM
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"Fuel efficient" and "larger than RX" is somewhat of an oxymoron. All the GX needs is a diesel and better onroad manners to better compete with the X5 et al.... they aren't much bigger, if at all, what would be the point?
Also, On the contrary, the 4Runner would be missed.
Also, On the contrary, the 4Runner would be missed.
The 4Runner's market is shrinking, so I don't think it would be missed, especially now that the Highlander is the same size with a little more interior room (due to the fact that it's a crossover and not a SUV).
11-17-09, 05:27 AM
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Never mine the GX, even the RX doesnt have the same road manner as a X5 and the RX is a crossover. You are comparing apples to oranges my friend.
