Toyota recalls and related issues: BusinessWeek-Media owes Toyota an apology
03-05-10, 04:28 PM
#931
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Run the red light: Hey, my brake fail to stop, not me.
Illegal lane change caused the accident: My steering fail.
Following too close and rear end another car" My gas pedal and brake fail.
Now, any car makers can get sue,not just Toyota, just wait. We can blame about anything on the car if we get into the wreck. Cell phone, texting, DVD system and alcohol has nothing to do with it.
03-05-10, 04:30 PM
#932
But you will still not be able see more than 2 seconds of data before airbag deployment. Thats how black boxes work.
03-05-10, 04:36 PM
#934
black boxes show only 1-2 seconds of data before the crash... that's why they dont show anything useful to these incidents. Toyota has given black box data previously when asked by court. Toyota is going to have >hundred black box readers next month in the USA.
But you will still not be able see more than 2 seconds of data before airbag deployment. That's how black boxes work.
But you will still not be able see more than 2 seconds of data before airbag deployment. That's how black boxes work.
Better than being so secretive and giving the media more ammo.
03-05-10, 07:54 PM
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Ok guys, I'm new here. Anyway, I found it in jalopnik.com. Hope it helps.
http://gawker.com/5486865/abc-news-toyota-test-fiasco
http://gawker.com/5486865/abc-news-toyota-test-fiasco
03-06-10, 01:29 AM
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Or, perhaps they are protecting people's privacy 
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Does anyone here even realize what would happen if the Toyota black box data was made freely available to anyone who wanted it?
It would destroy any privacy Toyota owners have, and it would open up a pandora's box of potential liability and frivolous lawsuits against Toyota owners, and Toyota itself.
It doesn't matter; even if Toyota DID make the black box data public, it wouldn't help Toyota.
This is a witch hunt. Toyota will be portrayed as hiding something, or being at fault no matter what they do.
If Toyota reveals the black box data, the media and government will simply find something else to blame, and claim Toyota is withholding other information or hiding something else.
After the black box data, what's next? Is the media and govt going to demand for Toyota to completely open up their ECU codes?
Will they demand that Toyota publicly reveal all R&D activities, to make sure they aren't "hiding anything"?
It will never end.
Exactly! Toyota cannot do anything to help the situation at this point. They simply have to ride out the witch hunt, and do their best to maintain customer loyalty and satisfaction.
?Does anyone here even realize what would happen if the Toyota black box data was made freely available to anyone who wanted it?
It would destroy any privacy Toyota owners have, and it would open up a pandora's box of potential liability and frivolous lawsuits against Toyota owners, and Toyota itself.
Agreed. Except in Toyota's current situation, everything should be put out in the open that people think could help find answers. Making any recordings from the black box unavailable to anyone but themselves is a big PR blunder.
Like I said, all of the thousands of complaints from all makes over decades (yup, before electronic throttles) seems evident that these incidences are driver error.
Like I said, all of the thousands of complaints from all makes over decades (yup, before electronic throttles) seems evident that these incidences are driver error.
This is a witch hunt. Toyota will be portrayed as hiding something, or being at fault no matter what they do.
If Toyota reveals the black box data, the media and government will simply find something else to blame, and claim Toyota is withholding other information or hiding something else.
After the black box data, what's next? Is the media and govt going to demand for Toyota to completely open up their ECU codes?
Will they demand that Toyota publicly reveal all R&D activities, to make sure they aren't "hiding anything"?
It will never end.
Exactly! Toyota cannot do anything to help the situation at this point. They simply have to ride out the witch hunt, and do their best to maintain customer loyalty and satisfaction.
03-06-10, 02:30 AM
#939
this whole thing reminds me of the whole Ford Explorer / Firestone recall...
the tires that were installed on Ford Explorers actually had an amazing track record, with some of the lowest defect percentages of any manufacturer at the time... What was truly happening was that people weren't checking tire pressures and loading down vehicles, putting undue stress on the tires...
so, except for maybe one or two cases, the NHTSA went back and found that almost every single failure was attributable to lack of maintenance...
but look at how much money Firestone had to pay out... ridiculous...
the tires that were installed on Ford Explorers actually had an amazing track record, with some of the lowest defect percentages of any manufacturer at the time... What was truly happening was that people weren't checking tire pressures and loading down vehicles, putting undue stress on the tires...
so, except for maybe one or two cases, the NHTSA went back and found that almost every single failure was attributable to lack of maintenance...
but look at how much money Firestone had to pay out... ridiculous...
03-06-10, 06:17 AM
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Does anyone here even realize what would happen if the Toyota black box data was made freely available to anyone who wanted it?
It would destroy any privacy Toyota owners have, and it would open up a pandora's box of potential liability and frivolous lawsuits against Toyota owners, and Toyota itself.
It would destroy any privacy Toyota owners have, and it would open up a pandora's box of potential liability and frivolous lawsuits against Toyota owners, and Toyota itself.
03-06-10, 06:36 AM
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this whole thing reminds me of the whole Ford Explorer / Firestone recall...
the tires that were installed on Ford Explorers actually had an amazing track record, with some of the lowest defect percentages of any manufacturer at the time... What was truly happening was that people weren't checking tire pressures and loading down vehicles, putting undue stress on the tires...
so, except for maybe one or two cases, the NHTSA went back and found that almost every single failure was attributable to lack of maintenance...
but look at how much money Firestone had to pay out... ridiculous...
the tires that were installed on Ford Explorers actually had an amazing track record, with some of the lowest defect percentages of any manufacturer at the time... What was truly happening was that people weren't checking tire pressures and loading down vehicles, putting undue stress on the tires...
so, except for maybe one or two cases, the NHTSA went back and found that almost every single failure was attributable to lack of maintenance...
but look at how much money Firestone had to pay out... ridiculous...
03-06-10, 06:46 AM
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this whole thing reminds me of the whole Ford Explorer / Firestone recall...
the tires that were installed on Ford Explorers actually had an amazing track record, with some of the lowest defect percentages of any manufacturer at the time... What was truly happening was that people weren't checking tire pressures and loading down vehicles, putting undue stress on the tires...
so, except for maybe one or two cases, the NHTSA went back and found that almost every single failure was attributable to lack of maintenance...
but look at how much money Firestone had to pay out... ridiculous...
the tires that were installed on Ford Explorers actually had an amazing track record, with some of the lowest defect percentages of any manufacturer at the time... What was truly happening was that people weren't checking tire pressures and loading down vehicles, putting undue stress on the tires...
so, except for maybe one or two cases, the NHTSA went back and found that almost every single failure was attributable to lack of maintenance...
but look at how much money Firestone had to pay out... ridiculous...
It will never end.
Toyota cannot do anything to help the situation at this point. They simply have to ride out the witch hunt, and do their best to maintain customer loyalty and satisfaction.
