Toyota recalls and related issues: BusinessWeek-Media owes Toyota an apology
#992
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they have already started fighting back using Exponent and Stanford University guys. I would not fight it with lawsuits at the moment, don't stoop down to trial lawyers levels. Maybe when the dust settles. Besides how can you sue the govt who is helping perpetuate this situation?
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The anti Toyota media will maybe touch on those articles a bit and go back to the sensational reports.
Toyota has to make sure reports like that are known.Have press conferences and debates.Can't depend on the liberal media reporting good Toyota articles with any vigor like they do with the negative stuff.
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this will get more interesting. That Gilbert dude better fight back or admit his guilt or stupidity.
#995
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When you have something like this below...
http://gawker.com/5486666/how-abc-ne...ota-death-ride
You really have no choice but to tuck in your tail and hide under that rock for a VERY long time.
#996
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For those that didn't read the first article:
http://gawker.com/5486666/how-abc-ne...ota-death-ride
After the folks at The Gawker contacted ABC News about their footage...they edited it...and made it look even more suspect...
http://gawker.com/5486865/abc-news-toyota-test-fiasco
ABC News. Shame on you.
http://gawker.com/5486666/how-abc-ne...ota-death-ride
After the folks at The Gawker contacted ABC News about their footage...they edited it...and made it look even more suspect...
http://gawker.com/5486865/abc-news-toyota-test-fiasco
ABC News' Toyota Test Fiasco
Earlier today, we called out ABC News' Brian Ross for splicing together footage of him driving a Toyota and a surging tachometer into a fake report. ABC News pledged to fix the video. It did—and made it faker.
The problem with Brian Ross' February report on Toyota's acceleration issues was that Ross took footage of a revving tachometer recorded in a parked car and edited it into a sequence of him driving the car in order to make it appear—falsely—that the tachometer on the screen was spiking while he was behind the wheel. After we called to ask about it, an ABC News spokesman admitted that the tachometer footage was taken while the car was parked, and said Ross would re-edit the video using footage of the tachometer taken while driving.
And so he did. But the "fixed" video still doesn't use footage of the tachometer taken while Ross was driving the car as seen in the report. He took a shot of the tachometer from a different test-drive—ABC spokesman Jeffrey Schneider says Ross conducted the test a total of six or seven times—and spliced it into the test that he chose to use for the final broadcast. We could tell immediately from watching the new version that the audio didn't match up, and Schneider confirmed that the shot of the tachometer you see below was not taken while Ross was driving the car in the shot you see below:
So the essential falsehood remains, even after ABC News acknowledged the mistake: Ross' report purports to show him driving a car and the tachometer spiking while he is driving that very car at that very time. What was the Toyota's tachometer doing while Ross was driving the car? We don't know, because ABC News won't show us. First they took a shot from a parked car and tried to pass it off as synchronous with Ross' death ride, and then they took a shot from a moving car and—even more deceitfully, claiming that they were fixing the error—tried to pass that off as having happened during the same drive.
When we asked Schneider why Ross couldn't just show what happened to the tachometer during the shot of Ross driving the car, he paused for at least five seconds. Then he said, "I don't know how that would happen. The tachometer was surging during each test we did, and the video is an accurate portrayal of what happened in the car to the tachometer."
What's more, as you can see from the photo at the top of this post, the parking brake light is still on in the new footage. We can't really figure that one out, though, because the car does appear to be moving.
In any case, don't believe anything Brian Ross tells you, ever, even if it's to correct the last untrue thing he told you. For his part, Schneider would like you to know that our initial characterization of Ross' report as "staged...to make it look scarier" is "a complete and utter lie." So says the expert.
By the way: We're not saying that the test itself was faked. You can actually see from the new video that the speedometer goes up from 10 mph to roughly 30 mph very quickly when the uncommanded acceleration happens. What we're saying is that Ross' report doesn't show what it claims to show. In fact, it is a deliberately arranged collection of footage that is designed to make you think you are being shown something that either doesn't exist or is being deliberately withheld by ABC News—footage of the tachometer that Ross was driving in the report—and is therefore staged. And fake.
Send an email to the author of this post at john@gawker.com.
Earlier today, we called out ABC News' Brian Ross for splicing together footage of him driving a Toyota and a surging tachometer into a fake report. ABC News pledged to fix the video. It did—and made it faker.
The problem with Brian Ross' February report on Toyota's acceleration issues was that Ross took footage of a revving tachometer recorded in a parked car and edited it into a sequence of him driving the car in order to make it appear—falsely—that the tachometer on the screen was spiking while he was behind the wheel. After we called to ask about it, an ABC News spokesman admitted that the tachometer footage was taken while the car was parked, and said Ross would re-edit the video using footage of the tachometer taken while driving.
And so he did. But the "fixed" video still doesn't use footage of the tachometer taken while Ross was driving the car as seen in the report. He took a shot of the tachometer from a different test-drive—ABC spokesman Jeffrey Schneider says Ross conducted the test a total of six or seven times—and spliced it into the test that he chose to use for the final broadcast. We could tell immediately from watching the new version that the audio didn't match up, and Schneider confirmed that the shot of the tachometer you see below was not taken while Ross was driving the car in the shot you see below:
So the essential falsehood remains, even after ABC News acknowledged the mistake: Ross' report purports to show him driving a car and the tachometer spiking while he is driving that very car at that very time. What was the Toyota's tachometer doing while Ross was driving the car? We don't know, because ABC News won't show us. First they took a shot from a parked car and tried to pass it off as synchronous with Ross' death ride, and then they took a shot from a moving car and—even more deceitfully, claiming that they were fixing the error—tried to pass that off as having happened during the same drive.
When we asked Schneider why Ross couldn't just show what happened to the tachometer during the shot of Ross driving the car, he paused for at least five seconds. Then he said, "I don't know how that would happen. The tachometer was surging during each test we did, and the video is an accurate portrayal of what happened in the car to the tachometer."
What's more, as you can see from the photo at the top of this post, the parking brake light is still on in the new footage. We can't really figure that one out, though, because the car does appear to be moving.
In any case, don't believe anything Brian Ross tells you, ever, even if it's to correct the last untrue thing he told you. For his part, Schneider would like you to know that our initial characterization of Ross' report as "staged...to make it look scarier" is "a complete and utter lie." So says the expert.
By the way: We're not saying that the test itself was faked. You can actually see from the new video that the speedometer goes up from 10 mph to roughly 30 mph very quickly when the uncommanded acceleration happens. What we're saying is that Ross' report doesn't show what it claims to show. In fact, it is a deliberately arranged collection of footage that is designed to make you think you are being shown something that either doesn't exist or is being deliberately withheld by ABC News—footage of the tachometer that Ross was driving in the report—and is therefore staged. And fake.
Send an email to the author of this post at john@gawker.com.
#997
Interesting that the major U.S. commercial, non-cable "free" TV networks are now 3-for-3 when it comes to staging fake car safety videos. First it was CBS News/60 Minutes with the Audi "unintended acceleration", then NBC News' Dateline and the bottle rockets used for the GM pickup trucks sidesaddle fuel tank "demonstration", and now ABC News and David Gilbert's trumped-up Toyota video...
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Interesting that the major U.S. commercial, non-cable "free" TV networks are now 3-for-3 when it comes to staging fake car safety videos. First it was CBS News/60 Minutes with the Audi "unintended acceleration", then NBC News' Dateline and the bottle rockets used for the GM pickup trucks sidesaddle fuel tank "demonstration", and now ABC News and David Gilbert's trumped-up Toyota video...
#1001
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A Prius and unintended acceleration with driver not being able to stop the car this afternoon.
http://www.10news.com/news/22777208/detail.html
http://www.10news.com/news/22777208/detail.html
#1002
Looks like Toyota is fighting back to the professors claims with the help of a Stanford Engineering Professor's testing.
http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-news/ci_14634987
Toyota enlists Stanford prof to dispute faulty electronics claim
The embattled Japanese automaker gave a demonstration this morning that was aimed at discrediting widely publicized claims by an Illinois engineering expert who says faulty electronics caused unwanted acceleration in Toyota's vehicles.
Chris Gerdes, director of Stanford University's Center for Automotive Research, said attempts to duplicate the problem showed that acceleration occurred only after tampering with the vehicles' wiring, which would not occur in normal driving. He spoke during a presentation at Toyota's North American headquarters in the Los Angeles suburb of Torrance.
Gerdes' report is part of a campaign by the automaker to repair its damaged reputation. Toyota has disputed findings by Southern Illinois University professor David Gilbert, who said the company's electronic throttle control system could have flaws that caused the unintended acceleration. Toyota says the problem is a result of faulty gas pedals and floor mats, which it is fixing.
The embattled Japanese automaker gave a demonstration this morning that was aimed at discrediting widely publicized claims by an Illinois engineering expert who says faulty electronics caused unwanted acceleration in Toyota's vehicles.
Chris Gerdes, director of Stanford University's Center for Automotive Research, said attempts to duplicate the problem showed that acceleration occurred only after tampering with the vehicles' wiring, which would not occur in normal driving. He spoke during a presentation at Toyota's North American headquarters in the Los Angeles suburb of Torrance.
Gerdes' report is part of a campaign by the automaker to repair its damaged reputation. Toyota has disputed findings by Southern Illinois University professor David Gilbert, who said the company's electronic throttle control system could have flaws that caused the unintended acceleration. Toyota says the problem is a result of faulty gas pedals and floor mats, which it is fixing.
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I had to quote this post from a BMW forum.
Originally Posted by immiketoo
Originally Posted by immiketoo
People that aren't smart enough to figure that neutral is your friend just proves that Darwinism is losing the battle against technology. I have a Volvo theory. The safest car in the world allows stupid people to survive their continual **** ups and breed more stupid people, thereby nullifying natural selection.
People that aren't smart enough to figure that neutral is your friend just proves that Darwinism is losing the battle against technology. I have a Volvo theory. The safest car in the world allows stupid people to survive their continual **** ups and breed more stupid people, thereby nullifying natural selection.
#1004
That's not enough.The public doesn't see or read those articles.
The anti Toyota media will maybe touch on those articles a bit and go back to the sensational reports.
Toyota has to make sure reports like that are known.Have press conferences and debates.Can't depend on the liberal media reporting good Toyota articles with any vigor like they do with the negative stuff.
The anti Toyota media will maybe touch on those articles a bit and go back to the sensational reports.
Toyota has to make sure reports like that are known.Have press conferences and debates.Can't depend on the liberal media reporting good Toyota articles with any vigor like they do with the negative stuff.
#1005
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it seems that they are now responding to every major negative report that comes out... which is only way to do it really. and again, one of the reasons it took them "long" time to respond was probably that the reviewed everything from the top down to make sure they can make claims they do now...
CBS Evening News with Katie Couric led off with Toyota and Gilbert and quickly reported that Prius story.