Toyota recalls and related issues: BusinessWeek-Media owes Toyota an apology
03-08-10, 06:01 PM
#1006
Lexus Fanatic
I just saw this while eating dinner and it made a strong case with me. Imagine what it may have done for those who are not as into Toyota. I understand the braking argument or the idea of throwing the car into neautral but the issue should still not exists and should not be something that can be recreated....especially on national TV
The sharks are no longer circling
VIDEO OF SUDDEN ACCELERATION RECREATION
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRN1CnKrc84
The sharks are no longer circling
VIDEO OF SUDDEN ACCELERATION RECREATION
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRN1CnKrc84
03-08-10, 06:05 PM
#1007
First of all - people should take note that the original report is from a professor from Southern Illinois University (which I have visited), and the new one is from a professor of engineering from Stanford University. It's easy to find some academic from a third tier no-name University to support anything - the elite Universities cannot easily be corrupted.
Second, I think Toyota should sue ABC for damages. In this country facts don't count for anything. But humiliating and punishing your opponent in court is the only way to get the truth out. Just like GM did to NBC in 1993.
Second, I think Toyota should sue ABC for damages. In this country facts don't count for anything. But humiliating and punishing your opponent in court is the only way to get the truth out. Just like GM did to NBC in 1993.
03-08-10, 06:12 PM
#1008
I just saw this while eating dinner and it made a strong case with me. Imagine what it may have done for those who are not as into Toyota. I understand the braking argument or the idea of throwing the car into neautral but the issue should still not exists and should not be something that can be recreated....especially on national TV
The sharks are no longer circling
VIDEO OF SUDDEN ACCELERATION RECREATION
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRN1CnKrc84
The sharks are no longer circling
VIDEO OF SUDDEN ACCELERATION RECREATION
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRN1CnKrc84
Last edited by 4TehNguyen; 03-08-10 at 06:24 PM.
03-08-10, 09:21 PM
#1009
Lexus Champion
http://cbs5.com/local/california.Pri...2.1546706.html
Waaahhh, the driver looked like an old geezer when I saw the soundbite this evening. IMO, he should sell the Prius and trade in his driver's license for one of these:
http://compass.511sd.com/
I remembered a quote from a Burton snowboard binding box which said this -
Look both ways before you cross the street. Bathtubs are slippery. Don't stand on the top rung of a ladder. Life has risks. Snowboarding is one of them(sic) - you are your best protection. Read the manual - learn to ride. Or just stay home.
I feel this is a truthful statement. Maybe Toyota can take this, and say that driving is a risk like everything else in life is. Learn to drive - take a defensive driving course. Or ride the bus or a bike instead.
Waaahhh, the driver looked like an old geezer when I saw the soundbite this evening. IMO, he should sell the Prius and trade in his driver's license for one of these:
http://compass.511sd.com/
I remembered a quote from a Burton snowboard binding box which said this -
Look both ways before you cross the street. Bathtubs are slippery. Don't stand on the top rung of a ladder. Life has risks. Snowboarding is one of them(sic) - you are your best protection. Read the manual - learn to ride. Or just stay home.
I feel this is a truthful statement. Maybe Toyota can take this, and say that driving is a risk like everything else in life is. Learn to drive - take a defensive driving course. Or ride the bus or a bike instead.
Last edited by nthach; 03-08-10 at 09:30 PM.
03-08-10, 09:28 PM
#1010
Lexus Fanatic
I suggest reading the past 50-100 posts, this fradulent segment has been shot down and debunked The first tidbit being when they show the tach rev, the gauge cluster indicates the car is in Park, the speedometer is zero, the parkign brake is on, the doors are open, and the driver isn't belted. Its not even the footage of the car during the of actual event supposed SUA.
03-08-10, 09:34 PM
#1011
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I suggest reading the past 50-100 posts, this fradulent segment has been shot down and debunked The first tidbit being when they show the tach rev, the gauge cluster indicates the car is in Park, the speedometer is zero, the parkign brake is on, the doors are open, and the driver isn't belted. Its not even the footage of the car during the of actual event supposed SUA.
Still what 60 cars out of millions? What car is perfect?
I think as time passes people will see this for what it is. Nothing.
We also have seen other car makers do have the same issue. IT IS NOT LIMITED TO TOYOTA.
The issue is Toyota is the big dog and newsworthy, like Ford, GM. Most of the other players with issues simply are not newsworthy. NO ONE WOULD CARE so they news will not report it.
03-08-10, 11:04 PM
#1012
Lexus Test Driver
http://cbs5.com/local/california.Pri...2.1546706.html
Waaahhh, the driver looked like an old geezer when I saw the soundbite this evening. IMO, he should sell the Prius and trade in his driver's license for one of these:
http://compass.511sd.com/
I remembered a quote from a Burton snowboard binding box which said this -
Look both ways before you cross the street. Bathtubs are slippery. Don't stand on the top rung of a ladder. Life has risks. Snowboarding is one of them(sic) - you are your best protection. Read the manual - learn to ride. Or just stay home.
I feel this is a truthful statement. Maybe Toyota can take this, and say that driving is a risk like everything else in life is. Learn to drive - take a defensive driving course. Or ride the bus or a bike instead.
Waaahhh, the driver looked like an old geezer when I saw the soundbite this evening. IMO, he should sell the Prius and trade in his driver's license for one of these:
http://compass.511sd.com/
I remembered a quote from a Burton snowboard binding box which said this -
Look both ways before you cross the street. Bathtubs are slippery. Don't stand on the top rung of a ladder. Life has risks. Snowboarding is one of them(sic) - you are your best protection. Read the manual - learn to ride. Or just stay home.
I feel this is a truthful statement. Maybe Toyota can take this, and say that driving is a risk like everything else in life is. Learn to drive - take a defensive driving course. Or ride the bus or a bike instead.
http://jalopnik.com/5488716/out+of+c...nia-patrol-car
wants money, as someone in the comments section said also
03-09-10, 12:08 AM
#1013
Pole Position
Please also note that this Professor Gilbert, an associate professor was HIRED by Safety Research & Strategies, a Massachusetts consulting firm that is compiling data for plaintiffs in lawsuits against Toyota.
First of all - people should take note that the original report is from a professor from Southern Illinois University (which I have visited), and the new one is from a professor of engineering from Stanford University. It's easy to find some academic from a third tier no-name University to support anything - the elite Universities cannot easily be corrupted.
Second, I think Toyota should sue ABC for damages. In this country facts don't count for anything. But humiliating and punishing your opponent in court is the only way to get the truth out. Just like GM did to NBC in 1993.
Second, I think Toyota should sue ABC for damages. In this country facts don't count for anything. But humiliating and punishing your opponent in court is the only way to get the truth out. Just like GM did to NBC in 1993.
03-09-10, 12:11 AM
#1014
Lexus Connoisseur
First of all - people should take note that the original report is from a professor from Southern Illinois University (which I have visited), and the new one is from a professor of engineering from Stanford University. It's easy to find some academic from a third tier no-name University to support anything - the elite Universities cannot easily be corrupted.
Second, I think Toyota should sue ABC for damages. In this country facts don't count for anything. But humiliating and punishing your opponent in court is the only way to get the truth out. Just like GM did to NBC in 1993.
Second, I think Toyota should sue ABC for damages. In this country facts don't count for anything. But humiliating and punishing your opponent in court is the only way to get the truth out. Just like GM did to NBC in 1993.
STANFORD UNIVERSITY > Southern Illinois University Carbondale.
Real engineering professors vs. a so-called professor with no real mechanical or engineering background.
Funny, but he has issued a statement to Barron's regarding Toyota's rebuttal to him:
http://blogs.barrons.com/stockstowat...s-to-rebuttal/
By Tiernan Ray
Professor David W. Gilbert with Southern Illinois University, who appeared before Congress last month to describe tests he’d done to show Toyota Motor (TM) has a wiring problem with its accelerator pedal, this afternoon responded to my inquiry earlier today about Toyota’s rebuttal of his claims.
To recap, Toyota said Gilbert’s findings couldn’t be duplicated in tests performed for the company by Stanford University.
Here’s is Gilbert’s response, as sent to me in an email this afternoon:
I am pleased to have had the opportunity to view today’s webinar presented by Toyota and to read the Exponent Research evaluation of my preliminary report.
Over the next several days, I will examine their expanded results and conclusions along with my own. I will visit Exponent next week to get a first-hand look at the information presented today and discuss their methods and procedures. I hope to complete my review all the information within the next few weeks.
I am pleased that further examination of these safety and acceleration issues is taking place and I look forward to participating in this process.
I am committed to working with industry, government and other interest parties and hope to provide more conclusive opinions and input as more research and analysis is completed.
Professor David W. Gilbert with Southern Illinois University, who appeared before Congress last month to describe tests he’d done to show Toyota Motor (TM) has a wiring problem with its accelerator pedal, this afternoon responded to my inquiry earlier today about Toyota’s rebuttal of his claims.
To recap, Toyota said Gilbert’s findings couldn’t be duplicated in tests performed for the company by Stanford University.
Here’s is Gilbert’s response, as sent to me in an email this afternoon:
I am pleased to have had the opportunity to view today’s webinar presented by Toyota and to read the Exponent Research evaluation of my preliminary report.
Over the next several days, I will examine their expanded results and conclusions along with my own. I will visit Exponent next week to get a first-hand look at the information presented today and discuss their methods and procedures. I hope to complete my review all the information within the next few weeks.
I am pleased that further examination of these safety and acceleration issues is taking place and I look forward to participating in this process.
I am committed to working with industry, government and other interest parties and hope to provide more conclusive opinions and input as more research and analysis is completed.
03-09-10, 12:19 AM
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.That's not enough.The public doesn't see or read those articles.
The anti Toyota media will maybe touch on those articles a bit and go back to the sensational reports.
Toyota has to make sure reports like that are known.Have press conferences and debates.Can't depend on the liberal media reporting good Toyota articles with any vigor like they do with the negative stuff.
The anti Toyota media will maybe touch on those articles a bit and go back to the sensational reports.
Toyota has to make sure reports like that are known.Have press conferences and debates.Can't depend on the liberal media reporting good Toyota articles with any vigor like they do with the negative stuff.
I have now seen CNN, Yahoo, and Google news reports that the credibility of the ABC News report and the credibility of Gilbert is being questioned.
Toyota is doing the right thing, fighting with facts and credible professionals with extremely strong credentials and reputations. They are not stooping to the level of lawsuits. Counter-suing atthis point is only going to make things worse for Toyota.
Only WHEN the media is on Toyota's side, can they possibly consider counter-suing for damages.
How can Gilbert, who is not even a real engineer, fight back against an organization like Exponent, who have a very strong reputation and who are comprised of PhD level engineers, REAL engineers, not "pretend engineers" like Gilbert?
03-09-10, 05:25 AM
#1016
Lexus Champion
great...
latimes.com
Runaway Prius hits 90 mph before stopping with aid of CHP
A stuck accelerator takes the Toyota hybrid to 90 mph on Interstate 8 in San Diego County before an officer helps out.
By Nathan Olivarez-Giles
March 9, 2010
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The driver of a Toyota Prius who called 911 on Monday to report his accelerator was stuck finally got the car stopped after about 20 minutes with the help of the California Highway Patrol, officers said.
"He was reaching speeds over 90 miles per hour," CHP Officer Larry Landeros said of the driver, James Sikes.
A Toyota spokesman said Monday evening that the company, which has recalled millions of vehicles because of reports of unintended acceleration, was sending a representative to investigate the cause of the incident.
The cellphone call came about 1:30 p.m. from the driver of the blue 2008 Prius eastbound on Interstate 8 in San Diego County.
"He was driving near the La Posta Indian Reservation when he called 911 and said his gas pedal was stuck," Landeros said.
"I pushed the gas pedal to pass a car and it did something kind of funny . . . it jumped and it just stuck there," Sikes, 61, said at a news conference. "As it was going, I was trying the brakes . . . it wasn't stopping."
A CHP patrol officer caught up to the Prius about 20 minutes later and used a loudspeaker to tell the driver to apply his emergency brake in tandem with the brake pedal, Landeros said.
Once the Prius' speed dropped to about 50 mph, Sikes turned off the engine and was able to coast to a stop, the officer said.
Landeros didn't know why the driver waited until his speed had dropped to turn off the engine, but the officer speculated that Sikes feared losing the car's power steering.
The officer drove in front of Sikes' Prius to block the car if necessary. But the two cars never touched, Landeros said.
No one was hurt, the CHP said.
Toyota, the world's largest automaker, said it would look into the incident.
"We're sending a field technical specialist to San Diego to investigate the car and find out what happened," Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons said.
"We won't be able to comment on what any possible problems with the car were until we take a look at the car."
Sudden unintended acceleration has allegedly been the cause of 56 fatal accidents involving Toyotas in the U.S., going back as far as 2004.
The Prius that Sikes was driving was one of more than 4 million Toyota vehicles recalled in November because of the reported acceleration problems.
But the company was unsure whether Sikes took his car into a Toyota dealer to comply with the recall, Lyons said.
latimes.com
Runaway Prius hits 90 mph before stopping with aid of CHP
A stuck accelerator takes the Toyota hybrid to 90 mph on Interstate 8 in San Diego County before an officer helps out.
By Nathan Olivarez-Giles
March 9, 2010
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The driver of a Toyota Prius who called 911 on Monday to report his accelerator was stuck finally got the car stopped after about 20 minutes with the help of the California Highway Patrol, officers said.
"He was reaching speeds over 90 miles per hour," CHP Officer Larry Landeros said of the driver, James Sikes.
A Toyota spokesman said Monday evening that the company, which has recalled millions of vehicles because of reports of unintended acceleration, was sending a representative to investigate the cause of the incident.
The cellphone call came about 1:30 p.m. from the driver of the blue 2008 Prius eastbound on Interstate 8 in San Diego County.
"He was driving near the La Posta Indian Reservation when he called 911 and said his gas pedal was stuck," Landeros said.
"I pushed the gas pedal to pass a car and it did something kind of funny . . . it jumped and it just stuck there," Sikes, 61, said at a news conference. "As it was going, I was trying the brakes . . . it wasn't stopping."
A CHP patrol officer caught up to the Prius about 20 minutes later and used a loudspeaker to tell the driver to apply his emergency brake in tandem with the brake pedal, Landeros said.
Once the Prius' speed dropped to about 50 mph, Sikes turned off the engine and was able to coast to a stop, the officer said.
Landeros didn't know why the driver waited until his speed had dropped to turn off the engine, but the officer speculated that Sikes feared losing the car's power steering.
The officer drove in front of Sikes' Prius to block the car if necessary. But the two cars never touched, Landeros said.
No one was hurt, the CHP said.
Toyota, the world's largest automaker, said it would look into the incident.
"We're sending a field technical specialist to San Diego to investigate the car and find out what happened," Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons said.
"We won't be able to comment on what any possible problems with the car were until we take a look at the car."
Sudden unintended acceleration has allegedly been the cause of 56 fatal accidents involving Toyotas in the U.S., going back as far as 2004.
The Prius that Sikes was driving was one of more than 4 million Toyota vehicles recalled in November because of the reported acceleration problems.
But the company was unsure whether Sikes took his car into a Toyota dealer to comply with the recall, Lyons said.
03-09-10, 05:32 AM
#1018
yeah, the guy is probably just a liar
http://jalopnik.com/5488716/out+of+c...nia-patrol-car
wants money, as someone in the comments section said also
http://jalopnik.com/5488716/out+of+c...nia-patrol-car
wants money, as someone in the comments section said also
I have no sympathy for Prius drivers, esp those who think they are above the rest.
03-09-10, 05:39 AM
#1019
you see, reason they never touched was because Prius has always had smart brakes... so when you press brake, gas pedal input does NOT work. This has been stated by Toyota and confirmed by members of Prius chat forums.
so i was wondering wtf is with Prius speeding away when it has smart brakes
;-)
so i was wondering wtf is with Prius speeding away when it has smart brakes
;-)