Toyota recalls and related issues: BusinessWeek-Media owes Toyota an apology
03-09-10, 05:44 AM
#1021
We are quite lucky in Croatia that we get news reports of crashes and fires and none of them are with Toyota's (media also made big hoopla about recall).
Here is the most recent one:
Same day Audi got on fire on highway which was covered by news (nobody accused BMW or Audi of course)... Point is - accidents happen. If you concentrate only on some >20 million Toyota on the road, you will have some accident to cover every hour...
Here is the most recent one:
Same day Audi got on fire on highway which was covered by news (nobody accused BMW or Audi of course)... Point is - accidents happen. If you concentrate only on some >20 million Toyota on the road, you will have some accident to cover every hour...
03-09-10, 06:23 AM
#1023
We read and heard a police cruiser had to get in front of it to stop bring the Prius to a safe stop.
More media exaggerated BS.
""The officer drove in front of Sikes' Prius to block the car if necessary. But the two cars never touched, Landeros said."
More media exaggerated BS.
""The officer drove in front of Sikes' Prius to block the car if necessary. But the two cars never touched, Landeros said."
Last edited by Joeb427; 03-09-10 at 06:26 AM.
03-09-10, 06:37 AM
#1024
Yeah they created the increase in speed by creating conditions that would never happen in a real life setting. Honestly, go back and read the last 5-6 pages. Gilbert could splice the wires in ANY car like this and it would create unintended acceleration.
03-09-10, 06:44 AM
#1025
they actually recreated it (toyota) and showed on video on Ford Fusion, BMW 3 series and.. (i think) Subaru Impreza, to prove it too. They just needed different level of resistors.
03-09-10, 07:42 AM
#1027
I dont mean any offense by this but this is the exact reason why regular people should not serve on a jury during a medical or engineering investigation. The normal juror is ill educated on highly technical content and are in no way qualified to process such technical evidence to render a verdict. This is why states setup specialized medical courts and engineering courts and are settled by independent medical/engineering experts. Average jurist would have no experience in applying the scientific and engineering methods which is always used to solve technological problems. This is how trial lawyers trick juries into awarding gigantic settlements. Trial lawyers cant trick independent medical/engineerinig experts.
I'm not claiming to be an expert but anyone with basic electronic circuit knowledge can easily see how Gilbert falsified his test. Using a fraudulent ABC news segment is hardly evidence of anything and is great for convincing sheeple jurists.
Last edited by 4TehNguyen; 03-09-10 at 08:05 AM.
03-09-10, 11:26 AM
#1028
Just got an online Wall Street Journal alert:
Toyota said the Prius involved in a well-publicized acceleration incident in California will be the subject of a future recall to prevent floor mats from pinning the gas pedal down.
On Monday, James Sikes, 61 years old, called 911 for help after his 2008 Prius accelerated on a highway near San Diego and he couldn't slow it down. A California Highway Patrol officer caught up to the Prius and advised the driver to apply both the brake pedal and emergency brake to slow the vehicle.
Toyota has recalled the Toyota Camry and Avalon sedans and the Lexus ES sedan to reshape the floor and gas pedals to prevent unsecured or ill-fitting floor mats from entrapping the pedal in an open position.
Brian Lyons, a Toyota spokesman, said Toyota is planning on issuing a recall for Prius hybrids from the 2004 to 2009 model years to address the same issue.
On Monday, James Sikes, 61 years old, called 911 for help after his 2008 Prius accelerated on a highway near San Diego and he couldn't slow it down. A California Highway Patrol officer caught up to the Prius and advised the driver to apply both the brake pedal and emergency brake to slow the vehicle.
Toyota has recalled the Toyota Camry and Avalon sedans and the Lexus ES sedan to reshape the floor and gas pedals to prevent unsecured or ill-fitting floor mats from entrapping the pedal in an open position.
Brian Lyons, a Toyota spokesman, said Toyota is planning on issuing a recall for Prius hybrids from the 2004 to 2009 model years to address the same issue.
03-09-10, 12:52 PM
#1030
Lexus Connoisseur
Don't believe the hype. That San Diego Prius news story from this morning has a lot of questionable facts.
http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/t...te-154880.aspx
March 9, 2010 - Torrance, CA
Media reports, citing a Wall Street Journal article, have incorrectly reported that Toyota plans to announce a new recall for the 2004-2009 Prius to address the potential risk for floor mat entrapment of accelerator pedals.
There is no new recall being planned for the Prius to address this issue. To be clear, the 2004-2009 Prius was part of Toyota’s November 2, 2009 announcement of a voluntary safety recall campaign to address floor mat entrapment in certain Toyota and Lexus vehicles. This announcement can be found at our press room at: http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/l...on-112086.aspx.
Other models involved in this previously-announced recall include 2007 to 2010 Camry, 2005 to 2010 Avalon, 2005 to 2010 Tacoma, 2007 to 2010 Tundra, 2007 to 2010 ES350, 2006 to 2010 IS250, and 2006 to 2010 IS 350. On January 27, 2010, Toyota expanded the campaign to include the 2008-2010 Highlander, 2009-2010 Corolla, 2009-2010 Venza, 2009-2010 Matrix and 2009-2010 Pontiac Vibe.
The remedy process for these vehicles began at the end of 2009 and is occurring on a rolling schedule during 2010. Owners of the involved vehicles that have not yet been remedied are asked to take out any removable driver’s side floor mat and not replace it with any other floor mat.
Owners who have further questions are asked to visit www.toyota.com or www.lexus.com or contact the Toyota Customer Experience Center at 1-800-331-4331 or Lexus Customer Assistance at 1-800-255-3987.
http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/t...te-154880.aspx
March 9, 2010 - Torrance, CA
Media reports, citing a Wall Street Journal article, have incorrectly reported that Toyota plans to announce a new recall for the 2004-2009 Prius to address the potential risk for floor mat entrapment of accelerator pedals.
There is no new recall being planned for the Prius to address this issue. To be clear, the 2004-2009 Prius was part of Toyota’s November 2, 2009 announcement of a voluntary safety recall campaign to address floor mat entrapment in certain Toyota and Lexus vehicles. This announcement can be found at our press room at: http://pressroom.toyota.com/pr/tms/l...on-112086.aspx.
Other models involved in this previously-announced recall include 2007 to 2010 Camry, 2005 to 2010 Avalon, 2005 to 2010 Tacoma, 2007 to 2010 Tundra, 2007 to 2010 ES350, 2006 to 2010 IS250, and 2006 to 2010 IS 350. On January 27, 2010, Toyota expanded the campaign to include the 2008-2010 Highlander, 2009-2010 Corolla, 2009-2010 Venza, 2009-2010 Matrix and 2009-2010 Pontiac Vibe.
The remedy process for these vehicles began at the end of 2009 and is occurring on a rolling schedule during 2010. Owners of the involved vehicles that have not yet been remedied are asked to take out any removable driver’s side floor mat and not replace it with any other floor mat.
Owners who have further questions are asked to visit www.toyota.com or www.lexus.com or contact the Toyota Customer Experience Center at 1-800-331-4331 or Lexus Customer Assistance at 1-800-255-3987.
03-09-10, 01:30 PM
#1031
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You have to be a gotdamn complete idiot to not figure out how to slow a car down. Please ride public transit.
03-09-10, 02:32 PM
#1033
Lexus Test Driver
My thoughts exactly when I read about it. I really feel bad for Toyota in this, all the crazies are coming out now.
03-09-10, 03:49 PM
#1035
There is an excellent PriusChat article on why they think this driver is full of it.
It also has really good Gen 2 Prius youtube video which explans how brakes in Prius work and how fast you can stop - which is very fast as Prius has always had smart brakes which cancel out gas pedal input.
http://priuschat.com/news/why-out-co...ver-is-full-it
So check the link on Youtube on the same Gen2 Prius and how the smart pedal in Prius works. Basically he selected the wrong car to claim acceleration complaint ;-)
It also has really good Gen 2 Prius youtube video which explans how brakes in Prius work and how fast you can stop - which is very fast as Prius has always had smart brakes which cancel out gas pedal input.
http://priuschat.com/news/why-out-co...ver-is-full-it
The driver, James Sikes, didn't follow the recently very publicized directions on how to shut off his car and stop the acceleration. He says that he knows about the current Toyota recalls and inquired with his dealership at a recent maintenance check about whether his car was a part of the recall. Yet, according to him, he didn't feel comfortable turning the car off while the car was accelerating to higher speeds. Which leads me to…
He says people were passing him "left and right" while going 90+ MPH, and he was afraid he'd get rear-ended if he turned the car off and suddenly stopped. First of all, I've been on some SoCal interstates and while people drive pretty crazy, it's nothing compared to the NASCAR track that is I-85 in Atlanta and even those people don't pass someone "left and right" who is going over 90 miles per hour.
If he was so worried about getting rear-ended by turning the car off, why does he says he "stood" on the brake pedal to no effect? Hoping that the brakes will kick in and bring the car to a screeching halt has much more dangerous repercussions than turning the car off and moving onto the shoulder.
Mr. Sikes says the accelerator stuck and he couldn't pull it up when he leaned under the steering wheel to do so. But the brake override system in the Prius would have negated the stuck accelerator and slowed the car down normally as you see in the video below.
He says people were passing him "left and right" while going 90+ MPH, and he was afraid he'd get rear-ended if he turned the car off and suddenly stopped. First of all, I've been on some SoCal interstates and while people drive pretty crazy, it's nothing compared to the NASCAR track that is I-85 in Atlanta and even those people don't pass someone "left and right" who is going over 90 miles per hour.
If he was so worried about getting rear-ended by turning the car off, why does he says he "stood" on the brake pedal to no effect? Hoping that the brakes will kick in and bring the car to a screeching halt has much more dangerous repercussions than turning the car off and moving onto the shoulder.
Mr. Sikes says the accelerator stuck and he couldn't pull it up when he leaned under the steering wheel to do so. But the brake override system in the Prius would have negated the stuck accelerator and slowed the car down normally as you see in the video below.
So check the link on Youtube on the same Gen2 Prius and how the smart pedal in Prius works. Basically he selected the wrong car to claim acceleration complaint ;-)