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Old 03-19-10 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i wonder how many UA incidents have occurred in Japan. if none, then how is that explainable?
I wonder about this too. Anyone have the info?
Old 03-19-10 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i wonder how many UA incidents have occurred in Japan. if none, then how is that explainable?
There have been UA here in Japan. With all this stuff happening in the US there have been quite a bit of news on the issue. I was reading an article the other day (sorry it was in Japanese) about "sudden unintended acceleration" and that driver error has been found to be the cause in most cases. Most times the people involved admitted to mistakenly pressing the accelerator and all evidence was backing this up. "Apparently" there have been a few cases and I mean a few cases where evidence points to driver error , but the driver refuses to admit they were at fault. This article was refering to UA in all car makes , not just Toyota. But the consensus was that Toyota was no more likely to have UA then a US made car, Japanese made car or a German made car.

And with the way Japan is , I have seen incidents where they call out 3 patrol cars to an accident b/c some kid riding a bicycle to close to a car making a left turn into an intersection and he scratched the front quater panel, thats right "scratched". The kid didn't even fall of his bike, but they still had 7 police officers measuring out the accident scene. Wasted resources yes, but failure to do their job , a resounding NO.

Someone posted an article about how Japanese car companies don't have to do recalls by law, and that went on to mislead to American public that this means that there are no recalls done in Japan and that the wool is pulled over the Japanese peoples eyes. What a load of horse crap, companies do voluntary recalls all the time, I am not up to date on all the figures but Honda recently did a big one as did Toyota and Lexus for the Hybrid brake issue. How is that for trying to vilify Japanese companies, that right companies DO care for their customers saftey as they care for their business. B/c I can tell you now , if a Japanese company did not deal with a customer correctly they will lose business very quickly. I don't mean to be putting any country down, but service towards customers here really does take the saying's "The customer is always right" and "The customer is god" way to far.

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Old 03-20-10 | 08:13 AM
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And, yet another BOGUS story:

Feds: Runaway N.Y. Prius Did Not Have Brakes Applied
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2010/...rakes-applied/

NHTSA statement indicates 'runaway' Prius had open throttle, but driver was not stepping on the brakes.

A day after technicians from Toyota and the National Highway and Traffic and Safety Administration (NHTSA) were in Harrison, N.Y., collecting data from a Toyota Prius that allegedly crashed due to sudden unintended acceleration, a statement from the federal agency indicates that their findings contradict the driver's version of events, but does not necessarily rule out a mechanical malfunction.

According to NHTSA, "information retrieved from the vehicle's onboard computer systems indicated there was no application of the brakes and the throttle was fully open." A spokesperson from NHTSA would not elaborate on the statement.

In interviews with the Harrison Police Department after the crash, the driver said that she believed she stepped on the brakes after the car lurched forward as she was pulling out of a driveway, sending her across two lanes of traffic into a stone wall at an estimated 40 mph. The car was damaged, but the woman escaped serious injury.

The black box data recorder in the 2005 model year Prius involved in the incident stores information on the position of the brake and throttle pedals at the time of an impact and just after, but not before as newer versions of the technology do. While the NHTSA findings could mean that the driver was pressing the accelerator instead of the brakes as reported, they do not rule out the possibility that that the brakes were applied in the split second before the crash happened, or that the accelerator pedal itself was stuck.

When reached for comment, a Toyota spokesperson responded via e-mail that "the Harrison Police Dept. has jurisdiction in this case. We will await their official report."

Captain Anthony Marraccini, acting police chief of Harrison, told Foxnews.com that "it is premature and irresponsible to release any information until the investigation is complete."

Prior to the NHTSA announcement, Marraccini told Fox News that, due to media pressure, he his hoping to release the police department's analysis of the data by Monday.
Old 03-20-10 | 09:02 AM
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Certain people really shouldn't be driving. They put us all in danger.
Old 03-20-10 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i wonder how many UA incidents have occurred in Japan. if none, then how is that explainable?
well japanese did not have problems with the pedals or with the mats so i would guess much lower number of reports than USA.

However, most of the pedals recalled was in Europe... and german media reported how it was interesting that there were no SUA claims in Germany itself despite same number of cars recalled for pedals as in USA.

there were some media reports in UK for instance, but all that I have read have been on some old cars and very old incidents (cars that were not recalled).
Old 03-20-10 | 04:57 PM
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Ok I found some figures, it is all in Japanese. Basically it is saying that from a period from Jan 2007 to Dec 2009 there were 134 cases of UA ect, and Toyota had 38 of those cases.(28.8%) And with the percentages of cars on the road the claims against are no more than other car manufacturers.

同省によると、2007年1月から09年12月末までに、利用者から寄せられた全車種の不具合情報のうち、「急発進・急加速・暴走」に関する情報は134件で、トヨタ車は38件(28.3%)あった。すべての乗用・貨物車に占めるトヨタ車のシェアは27.8%(08年度)で、前原国交相は「保有台数に見合った割合。特にクレームが多いということではない」ともみている。
http://www.asahi.com/national/update...002240519.html

I hope this helps.
Old 03-21-10 | 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave600hL
Ok I found some figures, it is all in Japanese. Basically it is saying that from a period from Jan 2007 to Dec 2009 there were 134 cases of UA ect, and Toyota had 38 of those cases.(28.8%) And with the percentages of cars on the road the claims against are no more than other car manufacturers.



http://www.asahi.com/national/update...002240519.html

I hope this helps.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Toyota have over 40% marketshare in Japan?

Thus this would make the percentage of complaints actually less than other automakers, compared with the number of cars on the road.
Old 03-21-10 | 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by TRDFantasy
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Toyota have over 40% marketshare in Japan?

Thus this would make the percentage of complaints actually less than other automakers, compared with the number of cars on the road.
I believe that that percentage is about right, which would make Toyota's complaints less as you say. The article was just pointing out that in Japan there is no pattern of UA that is biased towards Toyota.
Old 03-22-10 | 05:00 PM
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i don't know if this was mentioned and answered yet.

but is there a way i can refuse the override and the pedal/carpet hack job?

i need to do my first service soon and need to know if i can refuse their override/shaving.
Old 03-23-10 | 04:20 AM
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Looks like the investigation into the NYC Prius crash is now complete. Driver error.

http://www.justnews.com/automotive/22908378/detail.html

I'm patiently waiting for Jim Sikes story to unfold. I'm drooling at the thought of him being taken away in hand cuffs.
Old 03-23-10 | 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetfire
i don't know if this was mentioned and answered yet.

but is there a way i can refuse the override and the pedal/carpet hack job?

i need to do my first service soon and need to know if i can refuse their override/shaving.
First off, to my knowledge, the Lexus IS portion of the recall hasn't even started yet. I'm especially curious to know how they're going to handle the sport pedals on ISs so equipped.

I'm fairly certain you can refuse to do the recall, but I'm not 100% sure.

I will say that a good friend of mine who's also a fellow moderator over on my.IS is thinking the same way you are.
Old 03-23-10 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetfire
i don't know if this was mentioned and answered yet.

but is there a way i can refuse the override and the pedal/carpet hack job?

i need to do my first service soon and need to know if i can refuse their override/shaving.
I told my service advisor I don't want the pedal trimmed and carpet work,just the software update.He tried to talk me into the whole job but just the software update was done.
My kids and I have bought 5 vehicles in the last 4 years at this dealer and we have a very good relationship with my SA,so I don't know if that helped.
Old 03-25-10 | 06:28 AM
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my family friend just got a Venza, his experience:

Have you driven a Toyota lately?

I have owned or driven a few Toyota. All of them are really good and reliable cars. However, the experiences of buying these cars are different stories. Each time I walked into a Toyota dealer I was always greeted by an arrogant car salesman who told me Toyota built the best car on the planet and to take what's been offered or go somewhere else. These experiences and attitudes have driven me away from Toyota dealers recently.

Yesterday, amid the bad publicity Toyota received due to problems related to UAS (Un-attended Acceleration Syndrom) and car mats, I decided to pay the Toyota dealer a visit just as an after thought after already visited Lexus, Infinity, Acura, Nissan, Caddilac, and Honda dealers. Oh my! how the tide has turned. The moment we (my other half) walked thru the show room door, we were greeted with a big smile and received a royal treatment during the entire visit that includes picking the car we want, test drive it, and immediately receiving an offer sheet just too good to pass. An after-thought became a reality when we walked out the dealer last night with the car. Here is the deal: $5K below the MSRP and 0% financing for 60 months to boot for a Venza.

The 0% interest will be expired on April 5, so anyone who needs to shop for a car right now, don't forget to include Toyota on your short list.
I want to see the look on GM and Obama's face when Toyota's sales hit it big this month.
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Toyota is advertising it's March offers big-time. Toyota's USA website is also heavily promoting it, and I see ads online a lot at different sites.
Old 03-26-10 | 05:49 AM
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If toyota wants, they could stomp a mudhole in every dishonest chump in this debacle but they will take the high road and instead enjoy a spike in sales.



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