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11-16-09, 08:03 AM
#121
A post from the ES 350 forum
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Originally Posted by MonAndrew7
Step One Keep floor mats installed properly
***In the event of some kind of runaway situation.....
Step Two Gently push the trans up one notch into neutral (or two if in manual)
Step Three Start braking firmly but in a controlled manner
Step Four Hold the starter button for several seconds while slowing
Step Five Bring the car to a stop safely off the road.
I don't know why that cop that was killed or others who claim they had the problem couldn't go up one notch to neutral.
Ok,people panick but a cop of all people should have had that situation under control.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MonAndrew7
Step One Keep floor mats installed properly
***In the event of some kind of runaway situation.....
Step Two Gently push the trans up one notch into neutral (or two if in manual)
Step Three Start braking firmly but in a controlled manner
Step Four Hold the starter button for several seconds while slowing
Step Five Bring the car to a stop safely off the road.
I don't know why that cop that was killed or others who claim they had the problem couldn't go up one notch to neutral.
Ok,people panick but a cop of all people should have had that situation under control.
In fact, one of those suits (mentioned in this thread too), wrongly alleges how you can not simply go into neutral in Lexus/Toyota, but that you have to push gear lever to the right and then up, which is actually just wrong ;-).
I have yet to see any Toyota/Lexus vehicle that does not have single flick up to go to Neutral. What they did is based the lawsuit on picture from the website which they wrongly interpeted. How silly is that? :-)
11-16-09, 09:21 AM
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So what your saying is a Lexus dealer (not LEXUS) put the wrong floor mat in a car and caused a loaner to have a issue. And people stacking floor mats 1,2,3 deep on the floor on any car is stupid and a bad idea. Sounds like Lexus themselves did nothing wrong at all. A person at a dealer(loaner car manager????tech?????) put the wrong floor mat in a car. People have had problems with pedals sticking for years on all car brands because they put lot's of floor mats in there cars on top of one another or don/t clip them in. Sounds like some personal responsibility needs to happen here not LEXUS at all. What are they going to recall a dumb people guide about how to use common knowledge. What happened is bad but not the fault of Lexus. Just a poor install by a employee at (a) dealer. People doing dumb stuff like they always have,do and always will that is where the lawyers come in. They protect dumb people from being dumb!
11-16-09, 10:24 AM
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If you can prove that, Toyota will make you a very rich man. Drive by wire system is like any other computer control system, to say they never have issues is just talking from lack of knowledge about all things electronics.
11-16-09, 10:33 AM
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http://www.bba-reman.com/content.asp..._throttle_body
The new type Mercedes Bosch throttle bodies are starting to fail. Common problems will be
rough idling, lack of power and/or driving problems with different pedal positions (due to faulty
TPS). Cruise control can often fail to operate.
Fitted to Mercedes cars '98 onwards C / E / CLK / SLK Class.
11-16-09, 10:54 AM
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I wonder how the acceleration occurs?
I found the Gas and Brake paddles on my 2004 GS to be little too close.
When stopping, sometimes my feet would also hit the gas as I applied brakes.
I found the Gas and Brake paddles on my 2004 GS to be little too close.
When stopping, sometimes my feet would also hit the gas as I applied brakes.
11-16-09, 11:18 AM
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Mercedes New Type Bosch Drive-By-Wire Throttle Body Failing
http://www.bba-reman.com/content.asp..._throttle_body
The new type Mercedes Bosch throttle bodies are starting to fail. Common problems will be
rough idling, lack of power and/or driving problems with different pedal positions (due to faulty
TPS). Cruise control can often fail to operate.
Fitted to Mercedes cars '98 onwards C / E / CLK / SLK Class.
http://www.bba-reman.com/content.asp..._throttle_body
The new type Mercedes Bosch throttle bodies are starting to fail. Common problems will be
rough idling, lack of power and/or driving problems with different pedal positions (due to faulty
TPS). Cruise control can often fail to operate.
Fitted to Mercedes cars '98 onwards C / E / CLK / SLK Class.
11-16-09, 11:27 AM
#127
I had this happen at least twice with my 2001 IS300. I bought the car new in the summer of 2000. This first model year car also had issue with over-aggressive traction control which resulted in there being a TSB for ecu reflash.
Once I was at a stop, foot on brake, car started revving.
Once I was driving at a maintained speed with my foot onthe gas pedal and the car accelerated.
Reported to Lexus, towed to dealer, nothing found. They asked if the floormat had riddnen up. Idk if it was me or a widespread thing but they ended up changing the floormat hooks from 1 to 2 sometime after that.
In my case(s), my floorpats were firmly in place and did not ride up.
Only owned that car for a year. It went off the side of a mountain road sometime after that, I attributed it to driver error but as everything happened so quickly, who knows. There may have been one or two more incidents but it was so long ago and well... no harm no foul. Might have to go and dig up my posts from IS300.net to see if it jogs my memory.
My 2002 IS300 never had those issues, thankfully.
Once I was at a stop, foot on brake, car started revving.
Once I was driving at a maintained speed with my foot onthe gas pedal and the car accelerated.
Reported to Lexus, towed to dealer, nothing found. They asked if the floormat had riddnen up. Idk if it was me or a widespread thing but they ended up changing the floormat hooks from 1 to 2 sometime after that.
In my case(s), my floorpats were firmly in place and did not ride up.
Only owned that car for a year. It went off the side of a mountain road sometime after that, I attributed it to driver error but as everything happened so quickly, who knows. There may have been one or two more incidents but it was so long ago and well... no harm no foul. Might have to go and dig up my posts from IS300.net to see if it jogs my memory.
My 2002 IS300 never had those issues, thankfully.
11-16-09, 11:37 AM
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1. The wrong floor mats were in the ES, Toyota/Lexus was not found at fault.
2. Toyota/Lexus was not found at fault for any "surges"
However, please continue to post over and over in different threads about your "theories".
No car is perfect. Also drivers are in many cases are idiots and you can't do anything about that.
We are talking about a company that won't even let people use the NAV while in motion for FEAR or being sued. Why on Earth would they then purposely have a default and not do anything about it. Makes NO sense.
11-16-09, 11:42 AM
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It is entirely possible that there is a electronic glitch related to the ECM. But this is highly unlikely because I would think that all Lexus and Toyota models use the same programming, so in theory this would be happening to models across the range and not jsut the ES/IS and Camry/Prius. Also how would you be able to even isolate when it happens? People more or less drive the same way, so if there was truly something wrong, there should be a lot more cases popping up (before the cop incident) and not after.
So many good points on each side its hard to decide which side makes more sense
So many good points on each side its hard to decide which side makes more sense
11-16-09, 11:46 AM
#130
It is entirely possible that there is a electronic glitch related to the ECM. But this is highly unlikely because I would think that all Lexus and Toyota models use the same programming, so in theory this would be happening to models across the range and not jsut the ES/IS and Camry/Prius
So many good points on each side its hard to decide which side makes more sense
So many good points on each side its hard to decide which side makes more sense
I have had at least 10 Toyota built vehicles and never had one instance of this type of problem.
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11-16-09, 11:54 AM
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I had this happen at least twice with my 2001 IS300. I bought the car new in the summer of 2000. This first model year car also had issue with over-aggressive traction control which resulted in there being a TSB for ecu reflash.
Once I was at a stop, foot on brake, car started revving.
Once I was driving at a maintained speed with my foot onthe gas pedal and the car accelerated.
Reported to Lexus, towed to dealer, nothing found. They asked if the floormat had riddnen up. Idk if it was me or a widespread thing but they ended up changing the floormat hooks from 1 to 2 sometime after that.
In my case(s), my floorpats were firmly in place and did not ride up.
Only owned that car for a year. It went off the side of a mountain road sometime after that, I attributed it to driver error but as everything happened so quickly, who knows. There may have been one or two more incidents but it was so long ago and well... no harm no foul. Might have to go and dig up my posts from IS300.net to see if it jogs my memory.
My 2002 IS300 never had those issues, thankfully.
Once I was at a stop, foot on brake, car started revving.
Once I was driving at a maintained speed with my foot onthe gas pedal and the car accelerated.
Reported to Lexus, towed to dealer, nothing found. They asked if the floormat had riddnen up. Idk if it was me or a widespread thing but they ended up changing the floormat hooks from 1 to 2 sometime after that.
In my case(s), my floorpats were firmly in place and did not ride up.
Only owned that car for a year. It went off the side of a mountain road sometime after that, I attributed it to driver error but as everything happened so quickly, who knows. There may have been one or two more incidents but it was so long ago and well... no harm no foul. Might have to go and dig up my posts from IS300.net to see if it jogs my memory.
My 2002 IS300 never had those issues, thankfully.
11-16-09, 12:02 PM
#132
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I don't worry about any unintended acceleration problem.If somehow it should happen,I'll just put the car in neutral.I've talked about this with the wife and she'll do the same.
I have had at least 10 Toyota built vehicles and never had one instance of this type of problem.
I have had at least 10 Toyota built vehicles and never had one instance of this type of problem.
We also had about 10 Toyota and Lexus between my wife and myself, not once of any hint of sudden accelartion ever occured, but that doesnt mean it is impossible. In fact, I know it is very possible for every make of car and DBW system. The key to be educated and know what to do when you happen to be that 0.00000001 % of population that it happens to.
11-16-09, 12:09 PM
#133
Same here, had a talk with the wife a few months ago when this story came out. Her 1st anwser was to hit the brake and if that doesnt work, then shut off the car. Many people forget about the neutral, I guess one of the poster is right, people get dumb down when they drive automatics.
We also had about 10 Toyota and Lexus between my wife and myself, not once of any hint of sudden accelartion ever occured, but that doesnt mean it is impossible. In fact, I know it is very possible for every make of car and DBW system. The key to be educated and know what to do when you happen to be that 0.00000001 % of population that it happens to.
We also had about 10 Toyota and Lexus between my wife and myself, not once of any hint of sudden accelartion ever occured, but that doesnt mean it is impossible. In fact, I know it is very possible for every make of car and DBW system. The key to be educated and know what to do when you happen to be that 0.00000001 % of population that it happens to.
People panic.
Shutting the vehicle down takes about 3-4 seconds of holding the start button in.Not many know that either.
Neutral and slowing down is the best case scenario.
Still can't get over a cop not going into neutral.
11-16-09, 12:14 PM
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Push button starts are still new and found on many high end cars only, I bet the majority of the drivers on the road doesnt know to hold it down for 3 seconds to shut down.