J.D. Power releases sat-nav study
12-08-09, 08:51 AM
#31
Lexus Test Driver
How can it be a safety over ride when other car companies dont even consider the over ride a safety feature. I also agree that under no circumstance should one be able to watch DVD in the front seats.
12-08-09, 08:52 AM
#32
Insurance companies often take a dim view of safety-override systems, although they are admitedly often hard to detect. I'd still go with the bypass but I believe installation of this part plugs into the back of the unit which means the unit would have to be uninstalled.
I would have to find someone to do that install and I'd be afraid of rattles and creaks after the unit is reinstalled.
12-08-09, 10:09 AM
#33
Voids warranty so if you have a problem.The bypass will have to be removed.
I'd still go with the bypass but I believe installation of this part plugs into the back of the unit which means the unit would have to be uninstalled.
I would have to find someone to do that install and I'd be afraid of rattles and creaks after the unit is reinstalled.
I'd still go with the bypass but I believe installation of this part plugs into the back of the unit which means the unit would have to be uninstalled.
I would have to find someone to do that install and I'd be afraid of rattles and creaks after the unit is reinstalled.
i use it all the time when people call me so i can see who's calling before i pick up (or not). that alone is a great feature already (and nothing different from say adjust radio controls)
12-08-09, 10:45 AM
#36
nah, as long as done right there will be no rattles and such. i have done many cars, they are all good
i use it all the time when people call me so i can see who's calling before i pick up (or not). that alone is a great feature already (and nothing different from say adjust radio controls)
i use it all the time when people call me so i can see who's calling before i pick up (or not). that alone is a great feature already (and nothing different from say adjust radio controls)
I wish you were near me,I'd hire you to do the install.
12-08-09, 10:30 PM
#37
I've had OEM nav on nearly all of my vehicles for the past 5 years, which include the new Cadillac Escalade ESV, Lincoln Navigator, Toyota Camry (Wife's), Silverado, Hyundai Genesis, LS460. I can't stand ****-based navigation, so the Genesis was off-putting -- but it was the only vehicle that was completely unrestricted, no lockouts.
The Navigator has a terrible navigation system (a 2008, so pre-Sync) -- the Camry (2007) is also mediocre at best - very slow and often inaccurate. The LS460's works relatively well, though the fact that the entire radio is virtually useless in motion really, really puts me off. To be honest, I've found GM's navigation system to be the easiest to use - it does have lockout, but not nearly to the extent Lexus does.
The Genesis had a nice navigation system, in spite of it being ****-based and it has absolutely no restrictions, which was great.
I think it's difficult to argue that SYNC is the best OEM navigation system on the market.
The Navigator has a terrible navigation system (a 2008, so pre-Sync) -- the Camry (2007) is also mediocre at best - very slow and often inaccurate. The LS460's works relatively well, though the fact that the entire radio is virtually useless in motion really, really puts me off. To be honest, I've found GM's navigation system to be the easiest to use - it does have lockout, but not nearly to the extent Lexus does.
The Genesis had a nice navigation system, in spite of it being ****-based and it has absolutely no restrictions, which was great.
I think it's difficult to argue that SYNC is the best OEM navigation system on the market.
12-09-09, 05:46 AM
#38
Lexus Test Driver
12-09-09, 06:23 AM
#39
Nobody locks out functions to the extend that Lexus does. Lexus actually ease up on the big brothering a bit lately. In the older Lexus nav. the system will start up with some legal statment and it will sit there until tou hit the I AGREE button. You have to do that everytime you start the car. After all that I AGREE crap, it will still lock you out of the nav functions while you are driving. Talk about insulting one's intellegents.
12-09-09, 06:38 AM
#40
Lexus Test Driver
12-09-09, 08:15 AM
#41
Yup might as well restrict radio use too. Imagine not being able to change channels while driving. What's protecting them is the "I agree" button that you just pressed. I've seen more accidents caused by people talking on cell phones than by using their navi.
In the older Lexus, you could bypass the lockout by doing the 'finger-dance', but it's not something you want to do every time you sit in your vehicle.
In the older Lexus, you could bypass the lockout by doing the 'finger-dance', but it's not something you want to do every time you sit in your vehicle.
12-09-09, 08:26 AM
#42
Lexus Fanatic
With a number of cars, there's no real difference.....the car-phone controls (including Bluetooth) are part of the NAV system itself, and are integrated into the same controller/screen.
My view on the subject is that if automakers would use simpler stereo controls to start with (and not implement them into the electronic-controller systems), adjusting the radio would not be the problem it is, even when the car is in motion. For instance, not only in my own Outback, but in some simpler cars without the NAV systems, the controls are simple enough that I can sometimes operate them blindfolded, simply by feel alone. Just try that with BMW's I-Drive or Audi's MMI, although, to their credit, they sometimes have voice-command, which helps.
Last edited by mmarshall; 12-09-09 at 04:48 PM.
12-09-09, 08:35 AM
#43
I agree. Call me a traditional guy, but I like having buttons. My friend has an ES330 and every time I try to change the radio (while driving), I get really annoyed because I HAVE to look at the screen. I'm not fond of touchscreens, especially when it comes to controlling basic things (radio). I'll take the tactile feel of buttons over touchscreen, even if touchscreen is 'cool'.
