2010 Ward's 10 Best Engines
12-10-09, 07:29 AM
#16
Where did you get the info from? From one of the CL members who haven't test drove one and just guessed around? I too remember a few members here who are anti-hyundai said the same thing before the Genesis was out for sale. Just because some older model Korean car performed sluggish doesn't mean it will be the same for the Genesis V8. This is pure ignorance.
Genesis V8 is not much faster than the V6 trim from 0-60 due to extra weight on the V8 trim. Where the bigger engine with more HP and Torque shines is at higher speed, going from 0- 100 or 0- 150 mph, or 40- 80, 60- 100, 60- 120, 100- 150 mph etc etc. You gotta test drive this thing to see how it runs. Take it to the interstate / highway and push it. And, read my previous response to Mister Two here.
It's "much", not muck. I don't know what muck means.. I can look in the dictionary and see what it means..
Genesis V8 is not much faster than the V6 trim from 0-60 due to extra weight on the V8 trim. Where the bigger engine with more HP and Torque shines is at higher speed, going from 0- 100 or 0- 150 mph, or 40- 80, 60- 100, 60- 120, 100- 150 mph etc etc. You gotta test drive this thing to see how it runs. Take it to the interstate / highway and push it. And, read my previous response to Mister Two here.
It's "much", not muck. I don't know what muck means.. I can look in the dictionary and see what it means..
A V6 GS 350 is faster.
12-10-09, 08:05 AM
#17
Nope, it's a high 13 sec car, and with higher trap speeds (104 mph), and with hot weather.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...c-104-mph.html
And after quarter mile, it gets faster and faster. The Genesis has the power up top.
The GS350 might be able to reach 13.9 at the quarter mile with the best launch technique but the trap speed is weak, lack power compare to the Genesis V8. And it gets worse the faster you go. It will run out of breath. The Genesis V8 is the direct competitor to the BMW 550i and 335i in the high speed acceleration tests. GS350 can't keep up. Sorry.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...c-104-mph.html
And after quarter mile, it gets faster and faster. The Genesis has the power up top.
The GS350 might be able to reach 13.9 at the quarter mile with the best launch technique but the trap speed is weak, lack power compare to the Genesis V8. And it gets worse the faster you go. It will run out of breath. The Genesis V8 is the direct competitor to the BMW 550i and 335i in the high speed acceleration tests. GS350 can't keep up. Sorry.
You search long and hard on the net and you'll find a under 14 run.
However,14s sites are a dime a dozen.
A 335i does a 13.5 or 13.6.A half second difference is big.
With that HP number,the Genesis should be 13.7 or so.
The car has 70 more ponies HP than a GS 350.
Last edited by Joeb427; 12-10-09 at 08:25 AM.
12-10-09, 08:22 AM
#18
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Genesis V8 will not blow the doors off the V6 trim from 0-60 due to extra weight. Where the bigger engine with more HP and Torque shines is at higher speeds, going from 0- 100 or 0- 150 mph, or 40- 80, 60- 100, 60- 120, 100- 150 mph etc etc. You gotta test drive this thing to see how it runs. Take it to the interstate / highway and push it. And, read my previous response to Mister Two here too.
And please use your spell checker for correct spelling. The word "muck" is getting me distracted. If you use firefox the spell checker is on by default.
And please use your spell checker for correct spelling. The word "muck" is getting me distracted. If you use firefox the spell checker is on by default.
Since you bought it up, let me be the 1st to tell you the word GOTTA is a not a word, well maybe if you live in the ghetto I am glad the Genesis V8 shines when accelerating at over 100 MPH, next time I go to an open track or drag strip with a economy full size sedan, I will surely keep that in mind. In the mean time, for the rest of us who drives in the streets, the Genesis V8 is not that much quicker than the V6.
12-10-09, 08:26 AM
#19
I did not realized this is a English spelling forum, I must have mistaken it for a car enthusiast forum Since you bought it up, let me be the 1st to tell you the word GOTTA is a not a word, well maybe if you live in the ghetto
I am glad the Genesis V8 shines when accelerating at over 100 MPH, next time I go to an open track or drag strip with a economy full size sedan, I will surely keep that in mind. In the mean time, for the rest of us who drives in the streets, the Genesis V8 is not that much quicker than the V6.
Since you bought it up, let me be the 1st to tell you the word GOTTA is a not a word, well maybe if you live in the ghetto I am glad the Genesis V8 shines when accelerating at over 100 MPH, next time I go to an open track or drag strip with a economy full size sedan, I will surely keep that in mind. In the mean time, for the rest of us who drives in the streets, the Genesis V8 is not that much quicker than the V6.
Maybe you will drive it on Autobahn... oh snap, they dont sell Genesis in Germany... but they could!
agreed on spelling as well...
12-10-09, 08:31 AM
#20
Lexus Test Driver
The Genesis V6 and V8 reminds me of the difference between the GS350 and the GS460. There is not enough of a diff in everyday driving that will justify the addition cost for the average driver.
Last edited by The G Man; 12-10-09 at 08:36 AM.
12-10-09, 08:49 AM
#21
Of course, many are driven in the streets stop-and-go traffic. If that is what you are looking for, Genesis V8 won't do much for you. You will be better off with an IS350 (0-60 in under 5 sec & 13.5 quarter).
Each magazine reviews will vary in performance numbers due to the driver. You don't launch properly you gonna get worse numbers, for any cars. 13.9 sec on the Genesis V8 is legit. The numbers I got for the IS350, 335i, and others are from the same mag source, at the same test location with similar weather condition (DA).
You have to keep in mind that the GS350, although it's slower than the IS350, are designed for 0-60 and quarter mile runs. The gearing after the quarter mile isn't made for speeding (tall gears and not enough power). That's why the 335i and Genesis V8 will mop the GS350.
Yes, from a dig the 335i will get out of the hole faster than the Genesis V8. What I was talking about is how fast each car quickly reaches from say 0- 120 mph. Both are in the very close range (18.6 vs 19 sec). The quarter mile trap speed is partial indication to determine the power of a vehicle. From roll race it will be different story, both cars should be very close to each other.
You might be able to beat a Genesis V8 in a GS350 from a dig to 60 but as the speed increases the Genesis will reel it in and get past you before even you get to 100 mph or so. If you were to do a roll race, say from 50 or 60 mph and up to 100+ mph the Genesis will walk away. 100~ 110 mph speeds are pretty commonly used when accelerating from the ramp to get on the interstate for example.
Genesis V8 weighs over 4000 lbs. GS350 RWD weighs what 3700 lbs? 300 lb difference.
Each magazine reviews will vary in performance numbers due to the driver. You don't launch properly you gonna get worse numbers, for any cars. 13.9 sec on the Genesis V8 is legit. The numbers I got for the IS350, 335i, and others are from the same mag source, at the same test location with similar weather condition (DA).
You have to keep in mind that the GS350, although it's slower than the IS350, are designed for 0-60 and quarter mile runs. The gearing after the quarter mile isn't made for speeding (tall gears and not enough power). That's why the 335i and Genesis V8 will mop the GS350.
Yes, from a dig the 335i will get out of the hole faster than the Genesis V8. What I was talking about is how fast each car quickly reaches from say 0- 120 mph. Both are in the very close range (18.6 vs 19 sec). The quarter mile trap speed is partial indication to determine the power of a vehicle. From roll race it will be different story, both cars should be very close to each other.
You might be able to beat a Genesis V8 in a GS350 from a dig to 60 but as the speed increases the Genesis will reel it in and get past you before even you get to 100 mph or so. If you were to do a roll race, say from 50 or 60 mph and up to 100+ mph the Genesis will walk away. 100~ 110 mph speeds are pretty commonly used when accelerating from the ramp to get on the interstate for example.
Genesis V8 weighs over 4000 lbs. GS350 RWD weighs what 3700 lbs? 300 lb difference.
It has to be more than 100MPH because the other cars are faster to 100 MPH in the quarter.14.0 is 104 MPH in the quarter.
104+ MPH faster times doesn't mean much to 99.9% of the population who drive on roads and highways.0-60 and 1/4 times are what people look at when interested in speed performance.
An extra 70 HP should easily make up that 300 lbs and then some.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
Last edited by Joeb427; 12-10-09 at 08:53 AM.
12-10-09, 09:12 AM
#22
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"Each magazine reviews will vary in performance numbers due to the driver." And each magazine review will differ due to track conditions (track surface, track altitude, humidity, temperature, wind speed, wind direction) and production variances in individual cars.
But back on topic, it's just a list.
But back on topic, it's just a list.
12-10-09, 09:24 AM
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I am talking about cars performance comparison from a same magazine source (R&T, which is very reputable and unbiased) with same location and temperature. It's the DA (Density Altitude) you need to go by. R&T usually does pretty good job maintaining similar DA numbers so the comparisons between cars are more legit.
12-10-09, 09:50 AM
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I don't know what you guys are smoking, but if 0-60 in around 5.5-5.8 seconds isn't good enough for you for a full-size luxury sedan (Genesis V8), then I don't know what is.
12-10-09, 10:08 AM
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"Each magazine reviews will vary in performance numbers due to the driver." And each magazine review will differ due to track conditions (track surface, track altitude, humidity, temperature, wind speed, wind direction) and production variances in individual cars.
But back on topic, it's just a list.
But back on topic, it's just a list.
12-10-09, 10:21 AM
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I guess you are right, my 12 year kid used it all time when he’s is too lazy to spell out the whole word. Since he is only 12 years old, he is too naive to realized that there is not much difference between typing out the word GOT TO as oppose to GOTTA. I must say it is very distracting for me to see a 30 year old man write like a 12 year old child.
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12-10-09, 10:22 AM
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The Genesis is a mid-size sedan. 0-60 in 5.5-5.8s is "good enough" for sure, but is relatively slow if you consider the claimed 380+hp engine output.
12-10-09, 10:23 AM
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A Bentley Brooklands has 530 bhp and 774 lb-ft of torque yet it only achieves 0-60 in 5 seconds flat in the most ideal conditions. The point of this is that the Genesis is a big car... 5.5 seconds 0-60 is plentiful, and it's not exactly like people who are buying this luxury sedan really care about 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. They care about value, and for that, the Genesis is unbeatable.
12-10-09, 10:27 AM
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A Bentley Brooklands has 530 bhp and 774 lb-ft of torque yet it only achieves 0-60 in 5 seconds flat in the most ideal conditions. The point of this is that the Genesis is a big car... 5.5 seconds 0-60 is plentiful, and it's not exactly like people who are buying this luxury sedan really care about 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. They care about value, and for that, the Genesis is unbeatable.
The car is 5853 lbs.