2010 Ward's 10 Best Engines
12-10-09, 12:07 PM
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I don't think it's a record exclusively of reliability or dependability. If that were the case, you'd be hard pressed to have the VWAG products in that list. While they are quite reliable, their dependability is quite random. I've heard a lot of horror stories, personally.
12-10-09, 12:09 PM
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I don't think it's a record exclusively of reliability or dependability. If that were the case, you'd be hard pressed to have the VWAG products in that list. While they are quite reliable, their dependability is quite random. I've heard a lot of horror stories, personally.
12-10-09, 12:12 PM
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The N 54 with high pressure fuel pump,fuel injectors,wastegates etc issue.
Other than that,it's a great engine.
Funny thing is that the same engine is in the 328 without the complex components and is a very good engine.
12-10-09, 12:28 PM
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Here are the criterias:
Throughout October and November, six editors of Ward’s Automotive Group tested 34 vehicles from 13 auto makers in their normal driving cycles in metro Detroit. They scored each engine based on horsepower, torque, refinement, technical relevance and comparative data. Each engine was evaluated because it was all-new, offered significant technology upgrades or was a returning winner from last year.
Throughout October and November, six editors of Ward’s Automotive Group tested 34 vehicles from 13 auto makers in their normal driving cycles in metro Detroit. They scored each engine based on horsepower, torque, refinement, technical relevance and comparative data. Each engine was evaluated because it was all-new, offered significant technology upgrades or was a returning winner from last year.
12-10-09, 12:54 PM
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I don't think it should. There are not many engines out there that are very reliable and phenomenal to exploit at the same time. Look at exotics.
In retrospect I'm probably just saying that because I own exotics.
In retrospect I'm probably just saying that because I own exotics.
12-10-09, 01:00 PM
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Given that "each engine was evaluated because it was all-new offered significant technology upgrades or was a returning winner from last year", I'm not surprised that reliability is not part of criteria. Some of the newest engines are too new to have a reliability record.
12-10-09, 01:40 PM
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Not only that, but, outside of Consumer Reports, few organizations in America have much credible data on engine reliability. J.D. Power, for example, goes into vehicle reliability for certain time periods (Initial, 90-day, 1-year, 3-year, etc.....) but generally doesn't break it down into vehicle components. Some of the auto enthusiast magazines have the so-called "Four Seasons" test where they keep a test car for one year or 50,000 miles to test durability, but that is for only a few of their fleet each year.
12-10-09, 01:45 PM
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Not only that, but, outside of Consumer Reports, few organizations in America have much credible data on engine reliability. J.D. Power, for example, goes into vehicle reliability for certain time periods (Initial, 90-day, 1-year, 3-year, etc.....) but generally doesn't break it down into vehicle components. Some of the auto enthusiast magazines have the so-called "Four Seasons" test where they keep a test car for one year or 50,000 miles to test durability, but that is for only a few of their fleet each year.
(So of course we end up gathering feedback from our auto owners/friends/families and posters on Club Lexus too.)
12-10-09, 03:11 PM
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My memory might be a bit vague here, but I recall reading about plans from Hyundai to sell the Genesis sedan in Europe a few weeks ago. What exactly they mean by "Europe" is unclear since, as far as I know, Infiniti only sells their cars in Russia but mentions "European sales" in their press releases.
As impressive as the Genesis is, I don't think it would do well in Europe at all. The simple fact is that people with money consider brands they are familiar with and brands that have status and prestige (and the appealing engine options). A V6 or V8 Genesis will be in the same boat as Cadillac and to an extent Lexus in Europe: hardly considered.
12-10-09, 03:31 PM
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My memory might be a bit vague here, but I recall reading about plans from Hyundai to sell the Genesis sedan in Europe a few weeks ago. What exactly they mean by "Europe" is unclear since, as far as I know, Infiniti only sells their cars in Russia but mentions "European sales" in their press releases.
As impressive as the Genesis is, I don't think it would do well in Europe at all. The simple fact is that people with money consider brands they are familiar with and brands that have status and prestige (and the appealing engine options). A V6 or V8 Genesis will be in the same boat as Cadillac and to an extent Lexus in Europe: hardly considered.
As impressive as the Genesis is, I don't think it would do well in Europe at all. The simple fact is that people with money consider brands they are familiar with and brands that have status and prestige (and the appealing engine options). A V6 or V8 Genesis will be in the same boat as Cadillac and to an extent Lexus in Europe: hardly considered.
12-10-09, 04:38 PM
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My memory might be a bit vague here, but I recall reading about plans from Hyundai to sell the Genesis sedan in Europe a few weeks ago. What exactly they mean by "Europe" is unclear since, as far as I know, Infiniti only sells their cars in Russia but mentions "European sales" in their press releases.
As impressive as the Genesis is, I don't think it would do well in Europe at all. The simple fact is that people with money consider brands they are familiar with and brands that have status and prestige (and the appealing engine options). A V6 or V8 Genesis will be in the same boat as Cadillac and to an extent Lexus in Europe: hardly considered.
As impressive as the Genesis is, I don't think it would do well in Europe at all. The simple fact is that people with money consider brands they are familiar with and brands that have status and prestige (and the appealing engine options). A V6 or V8 Genesis will be in the same boat as Cadillac and to an extent Lexus in Europe: hardly considered.
12-10-09, 05:24 PM
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Not only that, but, outside of Consumer Reports, few organizations in America have much credible data on engine reliability. J.D. Power, for example, goes into vehicle reliability for certain time periods (Initial, 90-day, 1-year, 3-year, etc.....) but generally doesn't break it down into vehicle components. Some of the auto enthusiast magazines have the so-called "Four Seasons" test where they keep a test car for one year or 50,000 miles to test durability, but that is for only a few of their fleet each year.
As a side note, I once got some very sage advice from a Toyota service manager about how to find the common failure item in your Toyota (but it applies to all brands.) Ask which parts are in stock at the parts counter and you'll find the common failure points.
He advised me of this when I was just about to purchase an EGR valve ($238) for a Camry the wife owned because the diagnostics I'd run pointed to an EGR failure. What I didn't realize was there is a VSV ($59) controlling the EGR that commonly fails - and it was in stock where the EGR itself would have been a special order.
12-10-09, 06:43 PM
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My memory might be a bit vague here, but I recall reading about plans from Hyundai to sell the Genesis sedan in Europe a few weeks ago. What exactly they mean by "Europe" is unclear since, as far as I know, Infiniti only sells their cars in Russia but mentions "European sales" in their press releases.
As impressive as the Genesis is, I don't think it would do well in Europe at all. The simple fact is that people with money consider brands they are familiar with and brands that have status and prestige (and the appealing engine options). A V6 or V8 Genesis will be in the same boat as Cadillac and to an extent Lexus in Europe: hardly considered.
As impressive as the Genesis is, I don't think it would do well in Europe at all. The simple fact is that people with money consider brands they are familiar with and brands that have status and prestige (and the appealing engine options). A V6 or V8 Genesis will be in the same boat as Cadillac and to an extent Lexus in Europe: hardly considered.
12-10-09, 06:57 PM
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Even Consumer Reports does not truly represent reliability data. They have to take what people will give them. Not everyone responds and not everyone uses the same frame of reference for their very subjective evaluations. The reality is, only the manufacturers have anything approaching decent reliability data, and none of them are talking.