Civic Hybrid Owners Sue Honda Over Mileage
12-16-09, 02:44 PM
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Honda also had to pay back customers for their "fast" odometers that were not accurate, making people go out of warrenty/leases faster than normal and other problems so I am not too surprised.
I can understand the frustration of some of these owners b/c for many, the #1 reason they bought it was for high MPG. Many of these people are very passionate about it and clearly escalated.
Lawyers though are the ones making out with the dough as this is more litigation.
The EPA doesn't test every car. They test a few and take the car manufacturers word on MOST of the lineup. Maybe the beef should be with the EPA as some of you have stated?
I wonder if any Prius owners has done the same?
I can understand the frustration of some of these owners b/c for many, the #1 reason they bought it was for high MPG. Many of these people are very passionate about it and clearly escalated.
Lawyers though are the ones making out with the dough as this is more litigation.
The EPA doesn't test every car. They test a few and take the car manufacturers word on MOST of the lineup. Maybe the beef should be with the EPA as some of you have stated?
I wonder if any Prius owners has done the same?
12-16-09, 07:57 PM
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wow... that's a ridiculous lawsuit if I ever saw one.
maybe I should sue Toyota because i'm getting 5.8L/100km (38mpg) on my current tank and it advertises 3.8L/100km (61mpg) as an average mileage.
Oh wait, it's the middle of winter, it's freaking -30°C, I have winter tyres, running on winter fuel blend and I have the heater running.
Honestly, are people too stupid to take responsibility of their own actions? did they service the car regularly? did they maintain proper tyre pressure? Do they drive with the windows up at 70mph? Did they drive like a normal person (and I don't mean drive like they used to which could be a leadfoot for all I know)?? Driving like a granny doesn't get you better mileage but neither does being Michael Schummacher.
If there's one thing I've noticed in the past few years tracking hybrid mileage, it's that the Prius is akin to cable internet. It's capable of extremely high mileage but it's super variable
The Civic Hybrid is more like (A)DSL internet. You get a lower max mpg but it's more consistent and you can get the average mpg most of the time.
maybe I should sue Toyota because i'm getting 5.8L/100km (38mpg) on my current tank and it advertises 3.8L/100km (61mpg) as an average mileage.
Oh wait, it's the middle of winter, it's freaking -30°C, I have winter tyres, running on winter fuel blend and I have the heater running.
Honestly, are people too stupid to take responsibility of their own actions? did they service the car regularly? did they maintain proper tyre pressure? Do they drive with the windows up at 70mph? Did they drive like a normal person (and I don't mean drive like they used to which could be a leadfoot for all I know)?? Driving like a granny doesn't get you better mileage but neither does being Michael Schummacher.
If there's one thing I've noticed in the past few years tracking hybrid mileage, it's that the Prius is akin to cable internet. It's capable of extremely high mileage but it's super variable
The Civic Hybrid is more like (A)DSL internet. You get a lower max mpg but it's more consistent and you can get the average mpg most of the time.
12-17-09, 04:22 AM
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12-17-09, 01:31 PM
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12-17-09, 02:53 PM
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That's correct. The 230 MPG claim was done under extremely favorable, hypothetical test conditions that almost certainly wll not (and cannot) be duplicated in everyday driving. And the engineers are still tweaking the car...the final production version has not been OK'd yet.
12-17-09, 06:10 PM
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Not only that, but Canadian models may (?) get different mileage than U.S. ones due to different engines, gasoline blends, and emission regulations. The Canadian weather, on the average, is colder, too, which cuts into gas mileage.....though, where you live in Vancouver, it is usually milder than much of the rest of Canada because of the nearby Pacific.
12-17-09, 07:21 PM
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Extraordinary mileage has been achieved by hypermilers. Wonder if they should sue because the EPA underestimated the potential of their cars.
I regularly get 40 MPG in my Yaris combined city/highway driving normally without any hypermiling techniques (even driving 75mph, ect.). The EPA rating is underrated at 29/36. I'd have to do 90 mph to get that low.
And look at those guys who achieved 81.5 MPG in the Fusion Hybrid...
http://www.cleancartalk.com/clean-ca...ngle-gas-tank/
12-17-09, 07:52 PM
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And of course there's plenty who have achieved the EPA estimates.
Extraordinary mileage has been achieved by hypermilers. Wonder if they should sue because the EPA underestimated the potential of their cars.
I regularly get 40 MPG in my Yaris combined city/highway driving normally without any hypermiling techniques (even driving 75mph, ect.). The EPA rating is underrated at 29/36. I'd have to do 90 mph to get that low.
And look at those guys who achieved 81.5 MPG in the Fusion Hybrid...
http://www.cleancartalk.com/clean-ca...ngle-gas-tank/
Extraordinary mileage has been achieved by hypermilers. Wonder if they should sue because the EPA underestimated the potential of their cars.
I regularly get 40 MPG in my Yaris combined city/highway driving normally without any hypermiling techniques (even driving 75mph, ect.). The EPA rating is underrated at 29/36. I'd have to do 90 mph to get that low.
And look at those guys who achieved 81.5 MPG in the Fusion Hybrid...
http://www.cleancartalk.com/clean-ca...ngle-gas-tank/
12-18-09, 05:45 AM
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If, by "hypermiling", you mean coasting with the clutch depressed or the transmsission in neutral, that can be hazardous, especially on steep downhills. It can overload the brakes when you try to stop, or put stresses on the transmission/clutch when putting it back in gear.