View Poll Results: Who Builds the Best Engine?
Honda
4
10.53%
Toyota
10
26.32%
GM
3
7.89%
Alfa Romeo
0
0%
Illmor
0
0%
Aston Martin
0
0%
Audi
1
2.63%
VW
0
0%
Porsche
4
10.53%
Bentely
0
0%
BMW
5
13.16%
DeTomaso
0
0%
Cummins
0
0%
Daimler
3
7.89%
DaeWHOO? (lol)
1
2.63%
Citroën
0
0%
Ferrari
4
10.53%
Fiat
0
0%
FoMoCo
0
0%
Holden
0
0%
Hyundai
0
0%
Nissan
1
2.63%
Jaguar
0
0%
Kia
0
0%
Lamborghini
0
0%
Lancia
0
0%
Land Rover
0
0%
Maserati
0
0%
Lotus
0
0%
Mazda
0
0%
MG
0
0%
Mini
0
0%
Peugeot
0
0%
Mitsubishi
0
0%
Rolls-Royce
0
0%
Saab
0
0%
Seat
0
0%
Subaru
1
2.63%
Suzuki
0
0%
Yamaha
0
0%
Kawasaki
0
0%
Vauxhall
0
0%
Volkswagen
0
0%
Volvo
0
0%
Harley Davidson
0
0%
Isuzu
0
0%
Tata
1
2.63%
Other-Explain
0
0%
ICE-who uses ICE engines...lets go electric now
0
0%
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Who Builds the Best Engine?
12-20-09 | 09:11 AM
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Who Builds the Best Engine?
Go!
-keep into account
In Summary...
The best all around engine
-Transmission's not accounted for in the poll
I'll be open and admit I'm at a Tossup between GM and Honda....
-keep into account
- Cost
- Performance
- Durability
- Reliability
In Summary...
The best all around engine
-Transmission's not accounted for in the poll
I'll be open and admit I'm at a Tossup between GM and Honda....
Last edited by lexusscturbo; 12-20-09 at 10:48 AM.
12-20-09 | 09:34 AM
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I'm still stuck at Honda Vs GM;
Honda because of just reliability, and the fact that after even riceboys hit those things with wrenches and torment them they still run..
Here's one argument I found on a +1 for Honda....
GM because of the LSx Block-
However here's an argument...
The LSx block is reliable as we see many go beyond 100k miles, however, to a certain degree. At 69hp/liter, it's hardly pushing the envelop of performance.
The LSx is lightly stressed. It should be reliable.
Honda on the other hand,
A K-series (k20a) rated at 160 hp is now making 138 hp under the same specific output, a loss of 14%.
You bet your asphalt it will be more reliable.
Mileage? factor as we all know the LSx gets ~30mpg highway,
The EPA is forced to shift from 1st to 4th gear during city driving testing. GM implements a forced shifting strategy for the sole purpose of generating these numbers. What engine/tranny package won't produce great city numbers if you're forced to shift from 1st to 4th gear?
An ultra low 6th gear (about 0.5:1 ratio) benefits the hwy numbers...
Anyone know where I can get the BFSC numbers for the LSx Engine? GM, to my knowledge does not publish these numbers..
Porsche, is a good contender too... Not to mention the aircooled engines are damn near strategic nuclear strike proof. Ranked #8 for best engine of the 20th century too...
Honda because of just reliability, and the fact that after even riceboys hit those things with wrenches and torment them they still run..
Here's one argument I found on a +1 for Honda....
Honda is not only the largest engine manufacturer in the world but it has built more successful racing engines, in a larger variety of racing fields, than any company in the world. Honda, at some point in time, has had dominant engines in almost every type of motor sport activity on earth.
F1 engine champs? Check
Indy? Check
Lemans? Check (Yes Honda has one a class championship at the 24hrs of Lemans)
Baja 1000 champs? Check
Touring car champs? Check
Endless sport bike championships? Check
Endless dirt bike championships? Check
ATVS? Check
Personal water craft? Check
Boat engines? Check
Jet engines? Check
Electric engines? Check
Robotics? Check
Then we have the fact that make some of the best general use consumer engines on earth to power just about anything you can think of (lawn mowers, generators, etc).
Or the fact that Honda is responsible for arguably the most important vehicle in history: The Honda Super Cub. More than 60,000,000 have been produced.....more than any other form of powered transportation in human history.
No other company holds a candle to Honda's engine experience, period. If you want something powered by an engine there is probably a Honda version of it....and it's usually (if not arguably) going to be one of the best out of that selection. No other manufacturer can make such a claim.
F1 engine champs? Check
Indy? Check
Lemans? Check (Yes Honda has one a class championship at the 24hrs of Lemans)
Baja 1000 champs? Check
Touring car champs? Check
Endless sport bike championships? Check
Endless dirt bike championships? Check
ATVS? Check
Personal water craft? Check
Boat engines? Check
Jet engines? Check
Electric engines? Check
Robotics? Check
Then we have the fact that make some of the best general use consumer engines on earth to power just about anything you can think of (lawn mowers, generators, etc).
Or the fact that Honda is responsible for arguably the most important vehicle in history: The Honda Super Cub. More than 60,000,000 have been produced.....more than any other form of powered transportation in human history.
No other company holds a candle to Honda's engine experience, period. If you want something powered by an engine there is probably a Honda version of it....and it's usually (if not arguably) going to be one of the best out of that selection. No other manufacturer can make such a claim.
However here's an argument...
The LSx block is reliable as we see many go beyond 100k miles, however, to a certain degree. At 69hp/liter, it's hardly pushing the envelop of performance.
The LSx is lightly stressed. It should be reliable.
Honda on the other hand,
A K-series (k20a) rated at 160 hp is now making 138 hp under the same specific output, a loss of 14%.
You bet your asphalt it will be more reliable.
Mileage? factor as we all know the LSx gets ~30mpg highway,
The EPA is forced to shift from 1st to 4th gear during city driving testing. GM implements a forced shifting strategy for the sole purpose of generating these numbers. What engine/tranny package won't produce great city numbers if you're forced to shift from 1st to 4th gear?
An ultra low 6th gear (about 0.5:1 ratio) benefits the hwy numbers...
Anyone know where I can get the BFSC numbers for the LSx Engine? GM, to my knowledge does not publish these numbers..
Porsche, is a good contender too... Not to mention the aircooled engines are damn near strategic nuclear strike proof. Ranked #8 for best engine of the 20th century too...
Last edited by lexusscturbo; 12-20-09 at 09:39 AM.
12-20-09 | 09:45 AM
#4
Audi and Porsche for sure.
If any other manufacture can win a combine total (Le Ma) as these, then I would consider them!
Porsche gets my vote! And that's all I want to say!
If any other manufacture can win a combine total (Le Ma) as these, then I would consider them!
Porsche gets my vote! And that's all I want to say!
12-20-09 | 10:19 AM
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based on your criteria, i give the nod to toyota.
efficient, reliable, smooth, great performance, really can't go wrong.
thought of bmw, because the 'responsiveness', sound and feel is just GREAT, but just heard of too many reliability issues overall.
could never vote for porsche as t0e mentioned because the price is absurd and i don't actually like the sound or the throttle response of porsche engines.
a couple of honda fans... well, maybe the engines are reliable, but they all seem 'old' to me, not that impressive, and their auto transmission is a JOKE in today's market.
about GM... pretty nice all around, and yes, the chevy 'small block' while 'simple' has been refined over 5 decades and is now looking pretty great in terms of packaging efficiency, power, and even fuel economy (who'lda thunk?). but i can't vote for engines paid for by the taxpayer.
efficient, reliable, smooth, great performance, really can't go wrong.
thought of bmw, because the 'responsiveness', sound and feel is just GREAT, but just heard of too many reliability issues overall.
could never vote for porsche as t0e mentioned because the price is absurd and i don't actually like the sound or the throttle response of porsche engines.
a couple of honda fans... well, maybe the engines are reliable, but they all seem 'old' to me, not that impressive, and their auto transmission is a JOKE in today's market.
about GM... pretty nice all around, and yes, the chevy 'small block' while 'simple' has been refined over 5 decades and is now looking pretty great in terms of packaging efficiency, power, and even fuel economy (who'lda thunk?). but i can't vote for engines paid for by the taxpayer.
Last edited by bitkahuna; 12-20-09 at 10:23 AM.
12-20-09 | 10:28 AM
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I'd lean towards Toyota/Lexus for reasons mentioned above.
I like Porsche for many of the attributes related to performance, sound, responsiveness, but give them a thumbs-down for durability and reliability over the last decade.
GM and BMW results are not consistent enough to be at the top of my list.
I like Porsche for many of the attributes related to performance, sound, responsiveness, but give them a thumbs-down for durability and reliability over the last decade.
GM and BMW results are not consistent enough to be at the top of my list.
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12-20-09 | 10:47 AM
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based on your criteria, i give the nod to toyota.
efficient, reliable, smooth, great performance, really can't go wrong.
thought of bmw, because the 'responsiveness', sound and feel is just GREAT, but just heard of too many reliability issues overall.
could never vote for porsche as t0e mentioned because the price is absurd and i don't actually like the sound or the throttle response of porsche engines.
a couple of honda fans... well, maybe the engines are reliable, but they all seem 'old' to me, not that impressive, and their auto transmission is a JOKE in today's market.
about GM... pretty nice all around, and yes, the chevy 'small block' while 'simple' has been refined over 5 decades and is now looking pretty great in terms of packaging efficiency, power, and even fuel economy (who'lda thunk?). but i can't vote for engines paid for by the taxpayer.
efficient, reliable, smooth, great performance, really can't go wrong.
thought of bmw, because the 'responsiveness', sound and feel is just GREAT, but just heard of too many reliability issues overall.
could never vote for porsche as t0e mentioned because the price is absurd and i don't actually like the sound or the throttle response of porsche engines.
a couple of honda fans... well, maybe the engines are reliable, but they all seem 'old' to me, not that impressive, and their auto transmission is a JOKE in today's market.
about GM... pretty nice all around, and yes, the chevy 'small block' while 'simple' has been refined over 5 decades and is now looking pretty great in terms of packaging efficiency, power, and even fuel economy (who'lda thunk?). but i can't vote for engines paid for by the taxpayer.
12-20-09 | 02:35 PM
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I guEss even though Lexus has their own engines they r bunched with Toyota? Not sure how Honda is in the running unless you're stuck in 1994....
BMW and Toyota/Lexus combine power and efficiency with the latter being more reliable and the former offering more power.
It's a toss up between those two for me.
BMW and Toyota/Lexus combine power and efficiency with the latter being more reliable and the former offering more power.
It's a toss up between those two for me.
12-20-09 | 03:30 PM
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I don't think there's a best all-around engine per se, because diffent engines, of course, are designed to do different things, but, in general, several, IMO, stand out.
Here are, IMO, the Top Ten:
The VW/Audi 2.0L turbo in-line 4.
The BMW 3.0L twin-turbo in-line 6.
The Toyota Prius Hybrid-Energy Drive.
The Nissan 3.5L and 3.7L V6s.
The Subaru 2.5L flat-4 and 3.0L/3.6L flat-6, for their low centers of gravity and easy adaptability to AWD.
The Corvette 5.7L V8.
The Ford Fusion's Hybrid Drive.
The BMW 4.4L twin-turbo V8 (but it is a gas hog).
The Mercedes E63's AMG V8, a true torque monster.
The Lexus 4.6L V8, for its refinement.
Here are, IMO, the Top Ten:
The VW/Audi 2.0L turbo in-line 4.
The BMW 3.0L twin-turbo in-line 6.
The Toyota Prius Hybrid-Energy Drive.
The Nissan 3.5L and 3.7L V6s.
The Subaru 2.5L flat-4 and 3.0L/3.6L flat-6, for their low centers of gravity and easy adaptability to AWD.
The Corvette 5.7L V8.
The Ford Fusion's Hybrid Drive.
The BMW 4.4L twin-turbo V8 (but it is a gas hog).
The Mercedes E63's AMG V8, a true torque monster.
The Lexus 4.6L V8, for its refinement.
12-20-09 | 03:35 PM
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No other company holds a candle to Honda's engine experience, period. If you want something powered by an engine there is probably a Honda version of it....and it's usually (if not arguably) going to be one of the best out of that selection. No other manufacturer can make such a claim.
Honda fours, for many years (especially the VTEC fours) also had little torque...especially at low RPM. They needed very high RPMs to make any significant power, where the HP peak cut in.