December 2009 and Year End Sales Thread (updated, feel and retail sales of the yr)
01-07-10, 03:07 PM
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Hey I have a lot of respect for 1SICKLEX. The point being, if he's going to rail against Hyundai it should be based on accurate data. 2,354 and 1,040 is not a trivial difference.
When it comes to the Genesis in particuliar, what's factual is the Genesis in all its forms sold 2,354 units in Dec '09 which is a 126% increase compared to Genesis sales in Dec '08. What's aslo factual is that the Genesis is nowhere near its sales target when Hyundai introduced the Coupe version.
In other words, the success or failure of the Genesis is open to debate and can be spun in any which way. Here's my own spin. Which manufacturer wouldn't want to see a 126% increase in the sales of their current flagship product? The Genesis is doing well but nowhere as well as Hyundai would like. Hyundai has a lot of work to do to become a player in the premium/luxury market.
When it comes to the Genesis in particuliar, what's factual is the Genesis in all its forms sold 2,354 units in Dec '09 which is a 126% increase compared to Genesis sales in Dec '08. What's aslo factual is that the Genesis is nowhere near its sales target when Hyundai introduced the Coupe version.
In other words, the success or failure of the Genesis is open to debate and can be spun in any which way. Here's my own spin. Which manufacturer wouldn't want to see a 126% increase in the sales of their current flagship product? The Genesis is doing well but nowhere as well as Hyundai would like. Hyundai has a lot of work to do to become a player in the premium/luxury market.
01-07-10, 04:10 PM
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Thanks CJ and RX300-BV.....it was my bad, not sure how I misread the data twice as I did go back to the Hyundai press release before making my statements. Thanks for correcting me.
I'm a fan of the Genesis's as yall know so I was just beating up the sales, not the cars.
I'm a fan of the Genesis's as yall know so I was just beating up the sales, not the cars.
01-09-10, 02:47 PM
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W/ regard to Genesis sales for Hyundai, the Genesis sedan has been a decent success for the brand.
About 16k Genesis sedans were sold in 2009, that's twice the amount for the Infiniti M and GS and more than twice the amount for the Audi A6.
Yeah, the Genesis sedan is a newer model, but otoh, it doesn't have the established customer base that the M, GS and A6 have and Hyundai didn't throw nearly as much $$ on the hood to move the Genesis as Infiniti and Audi did w/ the M and A6.
As for the coupe, it pretty has been a disappointment (Hyundai needs to put in its new DI engines and not detune the turbo as much as it did, as well as reworking the awkward grille shape/size sooner than later).
About 16k Genesis sedans were sold in 2009, that's twice the amount for the Infiniti M and GS and more than twice the amount for the Audi A6.
Yeah, the Genesis sedan is a newer model, but otoh, it doesn't have the established customer base that the M, GS and A6 have and Hyundai didn't throw nearly as much $$ on the hood to move the Genesis as Infiniti and Audi did w/ the M and A6.
As for the coupe, it pretty has been a disappointment (Hyundai needs to put in its new DI engines and not detune the turbo as much as it did, as well as reworking the awkward grille shape/size sooner than later).
01-11-10, 01:21 AM
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January 5, 2010;
Reuters compiled the 20 top-selling vehicles in the U.S. for 2009 as reported by the automakers.
Total sales of the top 20 vehicles fell 18.5 percent or -926,057 units to 4,075,609.
Reuters compiled the 20 top-selling vehicles in the U.S. for 2009 as reported by the automakers.
Total sales of the top 20 vehicles fell 18.5 percent or -926,057 units to 4,075,609.
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Following is a list of the top-20 selling vehicles, ranked by total units. RANK VEHICLE 2009 2008 '08 RANK % Chng 1 Ford F-Series P/U 413,625 515,513 1 -19.8 2 Toyota Camry 356,824 436,617 3 -18.3 3 Chevy Silverado-C/K P/U 316,544 465,065 2 -31.9 4 Toyota Corolla 296,874 351,007 4 -15.4 5 Honda Accord 290,056 372,789 6 -22.2 6 Honda Civic 259,722 339,289 8 -23.5 7 Nissan Altima 203,568 269,668 9 -24.5 8 Honda CR-V 191,214 197,279 11 -3.1 9 Ford Fusion 180,671 147,569 20 +22.4 10 Dodge Ram P/U 177,268 245,840 5 -27.9 11 Ford Escape 173,044 156,544 17 +10.5 12 Chevrolet Impala 165,565 265,840 7 -37.7 13 Chevrolet Malibu 161,568 178,253 26 -9.4 14 Ford Focus 160,433 195,823 15 -18.1 15 Toyota RAV4 149,088 137,020 18 +8.8 16 Toyota Prius 139,682 158,884 16 -12.1 17 Hyundai Sonata 120,028 117,357 +2.3 18 GMC Sierra P/U 111,842 168,544 12 -33.6 19 Chevrolet Cobalt 104,724 188,045 14 -44.3 20 Hyundai Elantra 103,269 94,720 27 +9.0
1. Ford F-Series: 413,625
2. Toyota Camry: 356,824
3. Chevrolet Silverado: 316,544
4. Toyota Corolla: 296,874
5. Honda Accord: 290,056
6. Honda Civic: 259,722
7. Nissan Altima: 203,568
8. Honda CR-V: 191,214
9. Ford Fusion: 180,671
10. Dodge Ram: 177,268
11. Ford Escape: 173,044
12. Chevrolet Impala: 165,565
13. Chevrolet Malibu: 161,568
14. Ford Focus: 160,433
15. Toyota RAV4: 149,088
16. Toyota Prius: 139,682
17. Hyundai Sonata: 120,028
18. GMC Sierra: 111,842
19. Toyota Tacoma: 111,824
20. Volkswagen Jetta(sedan + wagon): 108,427
21. Chevrolet Cobalt: 104,724
22. Hyundai Elantra: 103,269
23. Honda Odyssey: 100,133
24. Mazda 3: 96,466
25. Lexus RX: 93,379
26. Chevrolet Traverse: 91,074
27. BMW 3-Series: 90,960
28. Dodge Caravan: 90,666
29. Ford Edge: 88,548
30. Pontiac G6: 87,171
31. Chevrolet Equinox: 86,148
32. Ford Econoline/Club wagon: 85,735
33. Chrysler Town & Country: 84,558
34. Toyota Sienna: 84,064
35. Honda Pilot: 83,901
36. Toyota Highlander: 83,118
37. Nissan Versa: 82,906
38. Nissan Sentra: 82,706
39. Jeep Wrangler: 82,044
40. Hyundai Santa Fe: 80,343
01-11-10, 11:46 AM
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W/ regard to Genesis sales for Hyundai, the Genesis sedan has been a decent success for the brand.
About 16k Genesis sedans were sold in 2009, that's twice the amount for the Infiniti M and GS and more than twice the amount for the Audi A6.
Yeah, the Genesis sedan is a newer model, but otoh, it doesn't have the established customer base that the M, GS and A6 have and Hyundai didn't throw nearly as much $$ on the hood to move the Genesis as Infiniti and Audi did w/ the M and A6.
About 16k Genesis sedans were sold in 2009, that's twice the amount for the Infiniti M and GS and more than twice the amount for the Audi A6.
Yeah, the Genesis sedan is a newer model, but otoh, it doesn't have the established customer base that the M, GS and A6 have and Hyundai didn't throw nearly as much $$ on the hood to move the Genesis as Infiniti and Audi did w/ the M and A6.
07-21-10, 08:13 PM
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Fleet vs Retail Sales
Below is a chart that separates out fleet & retail sales for 2009:
http://www.automotive-fleet.com/Stat...20-car-reg.pdf
http://www.automotive-fleet.com/Stat...20-car-reg.pdf
07-21-10, 08:30 PM
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Below is a chart that separates out fleet & retail sales for 2009:
http://www.automotive-fleet.com/Stat...20-car-reg.pdf
http://www.automotive-fleet.com/Stat...20-car-reg.pdf
I was just thinking about this the other day actually...lol. At first glance, it doesn't appear that fleet/rental units have much impact on luxury brands. But it sure looks like it would dramatically reduce the true number of American and entry level vehicles that are actually purchased by the consumer. Perhaps an even more telling indicator of the state of the Big 3???
So essentially this data shows that hardly any true consumers actually buy Impalas, Taurus', Town Cars, Escape Hybrids, Mercury Grand Marquis', Crown Vics, Mitsubishi Gallant, Malibu Hybrids, HHR, Uplanders and Terrains.
Anyone else notice a common theme? Curious what sales numbers would look like overall by brand without fleet/rental sales???
07-21-10, 08:34 PM
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Very good data, will update title... ( I listed a few of interest)
So it looks like Kia and Hyundai sell to fleets like the American brands. Some luxury brands have some surprising fleet cars like Volvo. Maybach
Some of these are eye opening
43% of Escape hybrids are fleet
10% of Toyota Land Cruisers
15.4% of Lincoln Navigators
11.7% of Rover LR2
18.5% Infiniti M35
10.5% of Infiniti QX56
17.5% of Infiniti FX35
20.9% of Hummer H3
14% of Caddy Escalade
29.6% Caddy STS
11.7% Caddy CTS
21% GMC Yukon
35.9% Ford Expedition
30% Chevy Tahoe
35.5% Chevy Suburban
20% Saturn Outlook
27% Nissan Pathfinder
29% Mitsubishi Endeavor
15% Jeep Grand Cherokee
15.4% Jeep Commander
14% GMC Arcadia
23.3% Ford Taurus X
12% Ford Freestyle
18.7% Ford Flex
43.7% Ford Explorer
16.5% Ford Edge
29.7% Dodge Journey
35% Dodge Durango
10% BUick Enclave
20% Nissan Xterra
51% GMC Terrain
20% Toyota Sienna
20% VW Routan
37.5% Mazda 5
39.3% Kia Sedona
41.5% Kia Ronda
43% Dodge Caravan
49% NIssan Altima Hybrid
36.7% Mini E Cooper ??
15% Mercedes S class hybrid
26.5% Mitsubishi Eclipse
20% Ford Mustang
14% Volvo V70
14% Volvo S80
29% Volvo V50
45% Volvo S60
23% Volvo S40
36% Maybach 62
12.8% Bentley Arange
24.7% Volvo C70
10% Audi A3
13.3% Toyota Camry
17.3% Toyota Avalon
11% Subie Outback
14.5% SUbie Legacy
15.6% Nissan Altima
50% Mitsubishi Galant
20% Mazda 6
37% Kia Optima
46.5% Kia Amanti
30% Hyundai Sonata
50% Ford Taurus[/B]
29% Chrysler 300
57% Chevy Impala
14% Buick Lucerne
19.3% Buick Lacrosse
17.4% VW Beetle
10.2% VW Golf
13.6% Toyota Corolla
13.6% Subie IMpreza
14.2 NIssan Sentra
37.4% Kia Spectra
40% Kia Forte
18% Hyundai Elantra
43.6% Hyundai Accent
38.5% Kia RIo
16.6% Nissan Versa
So it looks like Kia and Hyundai sell to fleets like the American brands. Some luxury brands have some surprising fleet cars like Volvo. Maybach
Some of these are eye opening
43% of Escape hybrids are fleet
10% of Toyota Land Cruisers
15.4% of Lincoln Navigators
11.7% of Rover LR2
18.5% Infiniti M35
10.5% of Infiniti QX56
17.5% of Infiniti FX35
20.9% of Hummer H3
14% of Caddy Escalade
29.6% Caddy STS
11.7% Caddy CTS
21% GMC Yukon
35.9% Ford Expedition
30% Chevy Tahoe
35.5% Chevy Suburban
20% Saturn Outlook
27% Nissan Pathfinder
29% Mitsubishi Endeavor
15% Jeep Grand Cherokee
15.4% Jeep Commander
14% GMC Arcadia
23.3% Ford Taurus X
12% Ford Freestyle
18.7% Ford Flex
43.7% Ford Explorer
16.5% Ford Edge
29.7% Dodge Journey
35% Dodge Durango
10% BUick Enclave
20% Nissan Xterra
51% GMC Terrain
20% Toyota Sienna
20% VW Routan
37.5% Mazda 5
39.3% Kia Sedona
41.5% Kia Ronda
43% Dodge Caravan
49% NIssan Altima Hybrid
36.7% Mini E Cooper ??
15% Mercedes S class hybrid
26.5% Mitsubishi Eclipse
20% Ford Mustang
14% Volvo V70
14% Volvo S80
29% Volvo V50
45% Volvo S60
23% Volvo S40
36% Maybach 62
12.8% Bentley Arange
24.7% Volvo C70
10% Audi A3
13.3% Toyota Camry
17.3% Toyota Avalon
11% Subie Outback
14.5% SUbie Legacy
15.6% Nissan Altima
50% Mitsubishi Galant
20% Mazda 6
37% Kia Optima
46.5% Kia Amanti
30% Hyundai Sonata
50% Ford Taurus[/B]
29% Chrysler 300
57% Chevy Impala
14% Buick Lucerne
19.3% Buick Lacrosse
17.4% VW Beetle
10.2% VW Golf
13.6% Toyota Corolla
13.6% Subie IMpreza
14.2 NIssan Sentra
37.4% Kia Spectra
40% Kia Forte
18% Hyundai Elantra
43.6% Hyundai Accent
38.5% Kia RIo
16.6% Nissan Versa
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