Somewhere, an F150's airbags are deploying randomly right now.

 

You guys are funny. I'm not sure if it's hate, Ford taught the autoworld a valuable lesson about fixing issues urgently.

Toyota makes more cars than Jesus and... they also make VERY good cars. With the amount of advanced technology in todays vehicles, they should consider themselves fortunate that they don't have larger issues. It is the media's responsibility to notify the consumer about issues that pertain to safety. It is the responsibility of the manufacturer to respond promptly and adress the issue and so far, Toyota is doing so.

If it is true that 80% of Toyotas are still on the road, then they have a lot to brag about. There is no other manufacturer that produces the amount of vehicles they do every year with almost no issues to address. They aren't perfect but, they are DAMN GOOD.

 

Go to e90post.com, its ridiculous how many people suffer from HPPF failure. On the other hand, can you find a single post on any Toyota/Lexus forum regarding unintended acceleration?

Here's one for you... Except this is a BMW. And the optional velcro pads solution is a joke.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...88&postcount=1


No.

1) When HPPF fails, it can fail completely, and your engine will stall right in the middle of the highway, along with your power steering and brake assist.

2) People that follow 18 wheelers 20 feet away doing 75mph deserve Darwin awards. In any case, I don't think it takes anymore time to put automatic transmission into neutral gear than to slam the brakes.

 

You really know how to twist someones words. Where in that sentence did he even imply that he wished something bad to happen to him? He said it is only a matter of time, and hoped that he would be able to safely make it to the side of the road. I actually thought that he was hoping nothing bad would happen to him due to faulty manufaturing on BMW's behalf...
LOL, "Knock on wood", not very confident of you car not failing there are you?

There is a perfectly good explanation for what happened in that link... I just don't know what it is.

 

The media loves to see stars fall. Toyotas reputation for reliability makes it a perfect target for pointing out issues.

 

all QTF. (10 chars)

 

I think it is because it's Toyota and it's human nature to be drawn into watching something big fall.

It's amazing, I barely see everyone else's recalls being posted by the media, and there's a LOT of them. They're somehow kept quiet. So it makes it look like Toyota is doing the worse in overseeing quality but it's far from true.

Fact is, Toyota is still #1 in quality/reliability. Perception is everything in the auto industry. That's why it's important for this focus on Toyota recalls to stop. To many people, that's all they might need to see to stop them from buying without knowing the full story or having any real knowledge of the industry.

 

I think the Prius gets hit the hardest. Something as minor as the radio doesnt tune past 107.2 FM and the car is regarded as being pointless, a detriment to society, the world, the universe.

 

In no way was I trying to imply I wish his car would fail. The fact is there is approx a 25% chance his pump will fail. That is NOT a small percentage! Also, the failures can cause the car to stall at ANY time. The reason why it is not in the news is because of the double standard concerning Toyota. Being number one always carries a target on your back. BMW has ALWAYS been put on a pedestal, even when there are other cars as capable, performance wise and more reliable and luxurious. The media has glorified this car so much that it is hard for them to be objective. It was very hard for the media to except the fact that Americans made the Lexus the favorite luxury brand in American despite their ratings. Look at the 2006 model year when the IS350 came out. Every single rag mag rated the 3 series best, even when the test car was breaking down and getting its A$$ handed to it by the IS.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Toyota is perfect. They have had their issues also (Sludge engines). But they do not get a FAIR shake!

Koz

 

The e90post thread was obviously created by a troll. Considering the design of the accelerator pedal of BMW including the E90 series cars it is damn near impossible for a floor mat to get stuck resulting in unwarranted acceleration. There is no clearance between the front of the accelerator pedal & the floor board. In addition, anyone who has driven BMW knows that the gas pedal is less sensitive than its Japanese counterparts. BMW's require more pressure on the gas pedal to get the car moving. I call BS.

Wrong.. Where did you get this info from Och? Did you know that the power steering & brake booster are still functional even if you hold the push button start a few seconds while the car is in motion?? Just one of many BMW's safety systems. But you knew this right?



There are guys with e90's with over 50k on the clock with zero HPFP issues. Shocking right?


Maybe you've got it twisted.. I am very confident about the 335. That is why I purchased my 2009 335 xdrive coupe thus making it my last 335.



Yes... The guy is phony bologne. Hell, maybe he is looking to by a Ferrari or Koenigsegg next in order to be placed on some proverbial pedestal on the net? Who knows..

 

Right, because if it happened to someone with a Lexus, you would say the guy is the most credible person on the planet.

In any case, a stuck floor mat can jam any gas pedal in any car. I personally never experienced it in any of the 4 Lexus I've owned, but I did experience it in a Honda, I even created custom clips attached to seat rails that held the floor mat in place. I'm picking up my wife's BMW on thursday, and the first thing I will check is whether floor mats are securely attached to the floor. I will do it to ever car I buy/lease/rent/borrow from now on, whether its Lexus, BMW, or a Lada. Its simply basic preventative safety measure and common sense, and singling out any particular brand for this issue, while defending another is plain out stupidity.


Well, if the car is still moving and in gear, even if the engine is stalled its still driving accessories and pumping vacuum, so PS and PB will still be partially functional in any car, but not 100%, unless they are electric. In any case, a stalled engine and even partial loss of PS and PB are highly dangerous and undesirable on a highway.

 

I am a guy with a Lexus. This has not happened to me but I don't think I would BS about such a serious issue if it did.

Once again, that thread you posted from e90 is bogus.. When you pick up this BMW for your wife, examine the acelerator pedal closely & see if you can get the floormat caught under it..Get back to us with your findings.

With your sentiments in this thread, why lease a 335 & put your wife in danger??



I've been on bimmerpost for 3 years & on bimmerfest for 4 yrs now. You have a lot to learn for sure based on your post above.

 

Ok

I doubt it very much.

Will do.

Because, as the OP stated, there are double standards when it comes to media exposing problems with car makers. Toyota gets hammered for a non-issue that can happen to any model of any make, while there is no mention of a far worse issue, occurring far more often with BMW's. I simply wasn't aware of the issue prior to reading e90post, and now I do have much concern about it. I hope BMW finds a solution to this problem fast.

Of course I do have a lot to learn about BMW's, but if you think my post is wrong, can you kindly explain whats incorrect and correct it?

 

Again, I don’t think there are double standards, the fact remain that the Lexus issue kill a number of people and the BMW's FP issue haven’t. However, I do see a double standard if we compare the BMW FP problem to the Audi coil pack problem from 10 years ago. Both problem cause the car to go into limp mode, but the Audi's problem get much more media exposure.

 

I don't think there's a double standard here. When Audi and Ford had safety issues (both with allegedly fatal consequences) it was heavily publicized and appeared all over newsmags like 60 Minutes and Dateline. The resultant press severely crippled both companies for a period of time. When defects become life threatening they become bigger news than a pure mechanical failure.

Toyota has built its reputation on not having issues such as these and when they begin having them in quantity you can bet that it's going to draw attention. What bothers me about Toyota is the sometimes calavier attitude they present about it. They minimize and downplay it. Not in every case, but often enough. Even now the report is that the company pretty much admits that there's a real issue with the accelerator mechanism in their cars (and it goes beyond floor mats), they don't have a fix at the moment but they continue to sell the cars. It's like, "yeah we know there's a problem, yeah it may kill you or get somebody hurt but don't worry about it. The odds are in your favor."

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...-same-pedals/1