The union's reaction to Toyota clossing the Nummi (nsfw language in video)
#31
Lexus Champion
UAW representatives were standing outside the front doors of the D.C. Auto Show yesterday, Handing out brochures on the subject. I got into a discussion with one of them on several issues about Toyota's recent problems, the declining quality of some of their products, and the quality of the NUMMI plant compared to other plants. He was rather narrow-minded on the subject until I pointed out the superiority of some recent Ford products (including the F-150) over their Toyota rivals, which he conceded.
On the other hand, Ford just announced, yesterday, that they were hiring again for a new plant shift, starting at $14 an hour....essentially non-union wages. While I agree that, in some cases, UAW people were formerly overpaid for their (and others weren't), how can you expect to earn a living, support a family pay all your bills, and (VERY important) save up for retirement at $14 an hour? Companies, as well as unions, have to show some flexibility here.
On the other hand, Ford just announced, yesterday, that they were hiring again for a new plant shift, starting at $14 an hour....essentially non-union wages. While I agree that, in some cases, UAW people were formerly overpaid for their (and others weren't), how can you expect to earn a living, support a family pay all your bills, and (VERY important) save up for retirement at $14 an hour? Companies, as well as unions, have to show some flexibility here.
If these people chose not to get a college degree, fine that's their choice......but they also have to deal with the consequences AND the realities just like what is happening now. They thought that everything would bode well for them by earning more than what a non-union worker gets.......
Now the reality has come to bite them back in the ***.
The world is changing and if these labor unions don't get with the times and changing conditions, then no doubt that they will start fading and thus cease to exist.
I do admit that they were once effective in contributing to economy and business........but now, they have sunk low.
In this context, it's further proof that socialist bull**** does not work for the American auto industry.
I mean seriously 'six figures in American dollars'......just to stay on a ladder.
Then when they lose their jobs, they whine and ***** like spoiled brats........
Simply pathetic.
The solution: If they think what they're earning is not enough, then they should've gotten a degree.
Nuff said.......
#38
Lexus Fanatic
They get about $28 per hour pay.
The rest is benefits.
A bit high but not crazy.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4630103.shtml
The rest is benefits.
A bit high but not crazy.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4630103.shtml
Car companies in most cases make very big profits which is why they can afford to pay their workers a decent higher then average wages, if they did not pay the autoworkers a fair wage it would just go into the executives and CEOs pockets.
I am not trying to defend the UAW as I don't care for the way they operate and think they contribute more negativity to the whole situation but I do think autoworkers and factory workers/blue collar workers deserve to get a decent wage they can raise a family on and should not just be relegated to minimum wage or low wages just because they have no college degree. I have a college degree so it is not like I am just taking a side because I never went to college. The last thing I would want to hear or experience is for my employer to cut my salary in half and then for people to say if you want a decent wage just go back to school and get a Masters Degree. There is no where close to enough jobs in this country to support blue collar workers getting a diploma if they want a decent wage. There are not enough jobs right now for college graduates let alone more so just saying go to college if you want a decent wage is not going to work.
From my experience working at a GM plant and knowing GM workers those type of guys unfortunately do exist there like in that video but don't represent all or most of the workers there. Most of my experiences with autoworkers have been positive and I was surprised how many went to college, technical schools, have degrees, and who are conservatives and not your typical uneducated blind union loudmouth democrat supporter like they are often portrayed as, many do not like the UAW or that they are forced to pay into it and keep away from the volatile union meetings.
In my opinion it is better for the UAW to just take a back seat in bad times with their demands or go away altogether but paying autoworkers low wages is not going to solve anything with the big 3. Cuts need to be made to the high cost of benefits and pensions but I am not bothered with autoworkers who go into those hot dirty plants day in and day out and do those crappy sometimes dangerous jobs making $22-$30 an hour whether they have a college degree or not.
#40
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bunch of classless people... they only know how to yell without orders as if that's the right thing to do, and when it's not heard, let's go physical
i am so tired of all these union crap. who gives a crap... it's business, it's companies... they companies do good, they expect raises. when companies do bad, they expect to still be hired? give me a break. i am in a business where everyone fights for their survival. if you are not good, you are out. if you are good, you will find a way
i am so tired of all these union crap. who gives a crap... it's business, it's companies... they companies do good, they expect raises. when companies do bad, they expect to still be hired? give me a break. i am in a business where everyone fights for their survival. if you are not good, you are out. if you are good, you will find a way
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