Toyota freezes all sales of 8 models, leaving all dealerships dead in the water
01-27-10, 03:09 AM
#46
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I will not worry about Toyota at all.
They are so deeply integrated into business and political system and if you are expecting scandal ala Audi in 80s it will just not happen. Toyota is too strong and will pull strings to secure themselves from any retribution.
They are so deeply integrated into business and political system and if you are expecting scandal ala Audi in 80s it will just not happen. Toyota is too strong and will pull strings to secure themselves from any retribution.
01-27-10, 03:43 AM
#47
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If you're wondering how big (and serious) this is...
Several years ago, Chevy did NOT recall their Z24s with brake issues as the corporate decision was that it's cheaper to deal with some deaths and lawsuits rather than a massive recall. From a cost perspective, it turned out okay and went away as very few ever knew about it.
Toyota did a recall first and now a FULL SUSPENSION of sales
HUGE
Several years ago, Chevy did NOT recall their Z24s with brake issues as the corporate decision was that it's cheaper to deal with some deaths and lawsuits rather than a massive recall. From a cost perspective, it turned out okay and went away as very few ever knew about it.
Toyota did a recall first and now a FULL SUSPENSION of sales
HUGE
01-27-10, 03:43 AM
#48
I think Akio Toyoda's remark made a while back that the company is "grasping for salvation" rings true here.
Also just to refresh some memories:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=a9yJCGNHdGWs
These problems could be in-fact be the result of decisions that were originally made years ago, by then-president Katsuaki Watanabe, or the man before him Fujio Cho.
It does seem to me that since Akio Tododa became president, Toyota Motor Co. is making recalls to correct past mistakes, and to make sure future ones don't happen.
Their reputation is taking a hit right now, but hopefully it is for the better long-term.
One can only hope that Akio Toyoda is steering the company on the right path again.
Also just to refresh some memories:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=a9yJCGNHdGWs
These problems could be in-fact be the result of decisions that were originally made years ago, by then-president Katsuaki Watanabe, or the man before him Fujio Cho.
It does seem to me that since Akio Tododa became president, Toyota Motor Co. is making recalls to correct past mistakes, and to make sure future ones don't happen.
Their reputation is taking a hit right now, but hopefully it is for the better long-term.
One can only hope that Akio Toyoda is steering the company on the right path again.
This is pretty much bad luck as silly and simple as it sounds.
Also I dont think histeria is needed - i was reading on USA Today - this is not an issue that happens once and you can not reproduce it. It happens gradually and pedal feels uneven when you press it and returns slower and slower...
It is horrible to happen, especially so soon after the floormats fiasco, and I really feel bad for Toyota dealers... Toyota as corporation is too big for anything bad to happen there.
01-27-10, 03:47 AM
#49
If you're wondering how big (and serious) this is...
Several years ago, Chevy did NOT recall their Z24s with brake issues as the corporate decision was that it's cheaper to deal with some deaths and lawsuits rather than a massive recall. From a cost perspective, it turned out okay and went away as very few ever knew about it.
Toyota did a recall first and now a FULL SUSPENSION of sales
HUGE
Several years ago, Chevy did NOT recall their Z24s with brake issues as the corporate decision was that it's cheaper to deal with some deaths and lawsuits rather than a massive recall. From a cost perspective, it turned out okay and went away as very few ever knew about it.
Toyota did a recall first and now a FULL SUSPENSION of sales
HUGE
This is actually much better for the customers, and i hope it happens more in the future (stopping sales of cars with known safety issues).
GM was asked about Vibe and they said their policy was to announce recall only once fix has been developed, which in this case means customers would be buying these cars for next few months at least.
01-27-10, 04:47 AM
#51
Pole Position
First, the floor mat issue. Then, a huge, full investigation into a DBW computer malfunction. Now, a faulty gas pedal. Is it over now? Is the actual problem found? Or, is this just a witch hunt of sorts? Sounds like something as simple as a defective return spring.
I guess you had to see her attitude.
01-27-10, 05:07 AM
#53
He's a Toyota/Lexus guy.He drives a LS460 and he and my daughter just traded in a RX 350 for the Highlander for more room.
I talked to him last night and he thought about the same thing.
He's not happy.The problem bothers me a bit too.My daughter and granddaughter are in that Highlander.
01-27-10, 05:27 AM
#56
Lexus Champion
My son in law and daugher just bought a loaded Highlander last week.
He's a Toyota/Lexus guy.He drives a LS460 and he and my daughter just traded in a RX 350 for the Highlander for more room.
I talked to him last night and he thought about the same thing.
He's not happy.The problem bothers me a bit too.My daughter and granddaughter are in that Highlander.
He's a Toyota/Lexus guy.He drives a LS460 and he and my daughter just traded in a RX 350 for the Highlander for more room.
I talked to him last night and he thought about the same thing.
He's not happy.The problem bothers me a bit too.My daughter and granddaughter are in that Highlander.
The Philly Auto Show is coming up next week--I wonder if those models will be pulled from the display??
01-27-10, 06:03 AM
#57
Lexus Test Driver
i am all for criticizing Toyota, but nobody makes parts to be defective on purpose. In this case, CTS seems one of the biggest suppliers to all japanese companies, not just Toyota. Of course, at the end responsibility is with Toyota to chose proper supplier, but i doubt they could have known that this will happen.
It will be interesting to see if Toyota will go ahead with their plans to cut cost across the board of their parts from vendors as they have said they would do in the next few years.
If Toyota sets a price for a vendor and the vendor have to somehow make the same part for 10% less money, how do you think they will do it. Some will say the vendor can re-engineer the part to save money, but where is the engineering cost going to come from? And most cost savings measures are already engineered into most of their parts already. The obvious solution is to cut corners. The new part will look, feel and function the same, but what use to be solid piece is now hallow, what use to be metal is now plastic. The vendor may save 50 cents on a cheaper fasteners or they can decide to use a cheaper bearing. Whatever is it, sometimes it will not affect reliability and sometimes it will.
The problem here is much wider than the gas pedal, it is the way Toyota is doing business. They spend whatever million on the LFA car, but at the same time, they are trying to save a dollar on a bearing or a fastener. Personally, I think Toyota has gotten too big for its own good. Spending is out of control and they are trying to save money in the wrong places.
Last edited by The G Man; 01-27-10 at 06:29 AM.
01-27-10, 06:13 AM
#58
This is about as bad as I have seen it for recalls, we have people killed, hundreds of claims and a stop sale and stop production.
It will be interesting to see if Toyota will go ahead with their plans to cut cost across the board of their parts from vendors as they have said they would do in the next few years.
If Toyota sets a price for a vendor and the vendor have to somehow make the same part for 10% less money, how do you think they will do it. Some will say the vendor can re-engineer the part to save money, but where is the engineering cost going to come from? And most cost savings measures are already engineered into most of their parts already. The obvious solution is to cut corners. The will look, feel and function the same, but what use to be solid is now hallow, what use to be metal is now plastic. The vendor may save 50 cents on the cheaper fasteners or they can decide to use a cheaper bearing. Whatever is it, sometimes it will not affect reliability and sometimes it will.
The problem here is much wider than the gas pedal, it is the way Toyota is doing business. They spend whatever million on the LFA car, but at the same time, they are trying to save a dollar on a bearing or a fastener. Personally, I think Toyota has gotten too big for its own good. Spending is out of control and they are trying to save money in the whole places.
It will be interesting to see if Toyota will go ahead with their plans to cut cost across the board of their parts from vendors as they have said they would do in the next few years.
If Toyota sets a price for a vendor and the vendor have to somehow make the same part for 10% less money, how do you think they will do it. Some will say the vendor can re-engineer the part to save money, but where is the engineering cost going to come from? And most cost savings measures are already engineered into most of their parts already. The obvious solution is to cut corners. The will look, feel and function the same, but what use to be solid is now hallow, what use to be metal is now plastic. The vendor may save 50 cents on the cheaper fasteners or they can decide to use a cheaper bearing. Whatever is it, sometimes it will not affect reliability and sometimes it will.
The problem here is much wider than the gas pedal, it is the way Toyota is doing business. They spend whatever million on the LFA car, but at the same time, they are trying to save a dollar on a bearing or a fastener. Personally, I think Toyota has gotten too big for its own good. Spending is out of control and they are trying to save money in the whole places.
Audi got through this and I'm sure Toyota will.
The last two CEO's killed Toyota quality with bad decision making.
The new guy in charge,Mr Toyoda will change things and bring Toyota back to quality of the past or close..
01-27-10, 06:17 AM
#59
Pole Position
What is going on...?
Okay, does anyone have any additional information on the accelerator pedal issue? I ask because of this article...and it mentions the 2002 - 2004+ Lexus ES 300's & 330's now...
http://www.sandiego6.com/mostpopular...uxTtxrK4Q.cspx
This whole family was killed...and he was a CHP officer.
I'm starting to get a little confused if the problem lies with the floor mat or the accelerator pedal...or both...? My gut is telling me that this recall isn't quite over yet...
Mods, this was posted twice on purpose for obvious reasons.
http://www.sandiego6.com/mostpopular...uxTtxrK4Q.cspx
This whole family was killed...and he was a CHP officer.
I'm starting to get a little confused if the problem lies with the floor mat or the accelerator pedal...or both...? My gut is telling me that this recall isn't quite over yet...
Mods, this was posted twice on purpose for obvious reasons.
01-27-10, 06:18 AM
#60
Lexus Champion
If you're wondering how big (and serious) this is...
Several years ago, Chevy did NOT recall their Z24s with brake issues as the corporate decision was that it's cheaper to deal with some deaths and lawsuits rather than a massive recall. From a cost perspective, it turned out okay and went away as very few ever knew about it.
Toyota did a recall first and now a FULL SUSPENSION of sales
HUGE
Several years ago, Chevy did NOT recall their Z24s with brake issues as the corporate decision was that it's cheaper to deal with some deaths and lawsuits rather than a massive recall. From a cost perspective, it turned out okay and went away as very few ever knew about it.
Toyota did a recall first and now a FULL SUSPENSION of sales
HUGE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubi...efect_cover-up
In what was referred to as "one of the largest corporate scandals in Japanese history",[22][23] Mitsubishi was twice forced to admit to systematically covering up defect problems in its vehicles. Four defects were first publicized in 2000, but in 2004 it confessed to 26 more going back as far as 1977, including failing brakes, fuel leaks and malfunctioning clutches. The effect on the company was catastrophic, forcing it to recall 163,707 cars (156,433 in Japan and 7,274 overseas) for free repair.[24] Further recalls by Fuso truck & bus brought the total number of vehicles requiring repair to almost one million. The affair led to the resignation and subsequent arrest of president Kawasoe, along with 23 other employees who were also implicated.[25] Three of them have since been acquitted, with the judge stating that there was no official request from the Transport Ministry ordering them to submit a defect report.
Scary stuff.
With that said, it may be fine to issue recalls now matter how big or small but if blood has to be shed, then it's an entirely scary story altogether
