Road & Track on the Lexus LS460 Sport
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There is actual video footage of the LS sport vs a Mitsubishi Evo.
Click "video wiederholan"
http://www.myvideo.de/watch/6529148/Lexus_vs_Leitplanke
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http://www.myvideo.de/watch/6529148/Lexus_vs_Leitplanke
One of the reasons the LFA costs 375k is b/c everything is made for just that car. This has been discussed in great detail.
There is actual video footage of the LS sport vs a Mitsubishi Evo.
Click "video wiederholan"
http://www.myvideo.de/watch/6529148/Lexus_vs_Leitplanke
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Clearly he misjudged the corner. Thanks for sharing.
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Poor fella, but I doubt that vid is an LS 460 Sport at all...it was on The Lexus Enthusiast last year, and is dated August 2009...I think it is a regular LS 460 with custom wheels, notice also how it lacks the flared rear taillights of the USF40 II LS 460 (refresh).
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I'm not sure I understand the sport segment for big heavy sedans. I get it for smaller cars, but when it comes to big sedans I'm left scratching my head. I bought my LS460L because I was driving 12 miles one way to my downtown Seattle office in commuter traffic. When I wasn't in traffic, I was mostly on the freeway between Seattle and Orange County. I can't imagine making a choice to buy a sport model when I'm using the car in a way that is mostly stop and go. My exotic car pals think it's too sedate but that was the whole reason I bought it. After a day of chaos in the office it was wonderful to get in the car, insulate myself from the outside world, and get home without fuss. I've driven it from Seattle to Chicago twice and both trips were a pleasure. I think when car companies to try to make cars that are all things to buyers, they tend to not do anything all that well.
I read earlier posts comparing the price/value to the BMW 7 series or S class and the LS460L actually has more in common in feel with RR Phantom, even though the Phantom has a lot more mass with far fewer features. While the 7 and S are nice cars, I didn't find either as user friendly and in the end I had to think about which car would be more comfortable if I were just stuck in traffic.
I read earlier posts comparing the price/value to the BMW 7 series or S class and the LS460L actually has more in common in feel with RR Phantom, even though the Phantom has a lot more mass with far fewer features. While the 7 and S are nice cars, I didn't find either as user friendly and in the end I had to think about which car would be more comfortable if I were just stuck in traffic.
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I'm not sure I understand the sport segment for big heavy sedans. I get it for smaller cars, but when it comes to big sedans I'm left scratching my head. I bought my LS460L because I was driving 12 miles one way to my downtown Seattle office in commuter traffic. When I wasn't in traffic, I was mostly on the freeway between Seattle and Orange County. I can't imagine making a choice to buy a sport model when I'm using the car in a way that is mostly stop and go. My exotic car pals think it's too sedate but that was the whole reason I bought it. After a day of chaos in the office it was wonderful to get in the car, insulate myself from the outside world, and get home without fuss. I've driven it from Seattle to Chicago twice and both trips were a pleasure. I think when car companies to try to make cars that are all things to buyers, they tend to not do anything all that well.
I read earlier posts comparing the price/value to the BMW 7 series or S class and the LS460L actually has more in common in feel with RR Phantom, even though the Phantom has a lot more mass with far fewer features. While the 7 and S are nice cars, I didn't find either as user friendly and in the end I had to think about which car would be more comfortable if I were just stuck in traffic.
I read earlier posts comparing the price/value to the BMW 7 series or S class and the LS460L actually has more in common in feel with RR Phantom, even though the Phantom has a lot more mass with far fewer features. While the 7 and S are nice cars, I didn't find either as user friendly and in the end I had to think about which car would be more comfortable if I were just stuck in traffic.
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I'm not sure I understand the sport segment for big heavy sedans. I get it for smaller cars, but when it comes to big sedans I'm left scratching my head. I bought my LS460L because I was driving 12 miles one way to my downtown Seattle office in commuter traffic. When I wasn't in traffic, I was mostly on the freeway between Seattle and Orange County. I can't imagine making a choice to buy a sport model when I'm using the car in a way that is mostly stop and go. My exotic car pals think it's too sedate but that was the whole reason I bought it. After a day of chaos in the office it was wonderful to get in the car, insulate myself from the outside world, and get home without fuss. I've driven it from Seattle to Chicago twice and both trips were a pleasure. I think when car companies to try to make cars that are all things to buyers, they tend to not do anything all that well.
I read earlier posts comparing the price/value to the BMW 7 series or S class and the LS460L actually has more in common in feel with RR Phantom, even though the Phantom has a lot more mass with far fewer features. While the 7 and S are nice cars, I didn't find either as user friendly and in the end I had to think about which car would be more comfortable if I were just stuck in traffic.
I read earlier posts comparing the price/value to the BMW 7 series or S class and the LS460L actually has more in common in feel with RR Phantom, even though the Phantom has a lot more mass with far fewer features. While the 7 and S are nice cars, I didn't find either as user friendly and in the end I had to think about which car would be more comfortable if I were just stuck in traffic.
What it does it makes LS460 more enjoyable in twisties (like where i regulary drive myself) with only slight penality in comfort.
While you might not need Sport version, there are other people that do, this is why it is optional. Why have anything against choice?
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something that needs to be said - not everyone drives only on highways with their Lexus vehicles... I live in a city surrounded by mountains, and i would in heartbeat buy an Sport version of GS as mine tends to brake apart on tight roads and 4 people inside.
Improvements that we made to LS seemed to be perfect ones for my GS as well.
Improvements that we made to LS seemed to be perfect ones for my GS as well.
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something that needs to be said - not everyone drives only on highways with their Lexus vehicles... I live in a city surrounded by mountains, and i would in heartbeat buy an Sport version of GS as mine tends to brake apart on tight roads and 4 people inside.
Improvements that we made to LS seemed to be perfect ones for my GS as well.
Improvements that we made to LS seemed to be perfect ones for my GS as well.
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I was saying that the GS should drive as well as the new Sport version of the LS without having to have an expensive sport package. I do think there should be a sport appearance package of F sport parts, but the drive should be VERY sporty even in the base model.
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People complaining REALLY need to think here. The LS was a one engine, one size car until the new version. Now we have
SWB
LWB
hybrid
AWD
sport
All in one version. I think that is A LOT of expansion in one cycle. Hopefully Lexus continues keeping the LS to its happy core customers and expands with Sport and maybe a LS-F in the next generation.
Good post. Funny but Clarkson said the same thing a few months ago in the Top Gear mag editorial. He is tired of every car riding on low profiles and harsh. Where are the comfy cars?
SWB
LWB
hybrid
AWD
sport
All in one version. I think that is A LOT of expansion in one cycle. Hopefully Lexus continues keeping the LS to its happy core customers and expands with Sport and maybe a LS-F in the next generation.
I'm not sure I understand the sport segment for big heavy sedans. I get it for smaller cars, but when it comes to big sedans I'm left scratching my head. I bought my LS460L because I was driving 12 miles one way to my downtown Seattle office in commuter traffic. When I wasn't in traffic, I was mostly on the freeway between Seattle and Orange County. I can't imagine making a choice to buy a sport model when I'm using the car in a way that is mostly stop and go. My exotic car pals think it's too sedate but that was the whole reason I bought it. After a day of chaos in the office it was wonderful to get in the car, insulate myself from the outside world, and get home without fuss. I've driven it from Seattle to Chicago twice and both trips were a pleasure. I think when car companies to try to make cars that are all things to buyers, they tend to not do anything all that well.
I read earlier posts comparing the price/value to the BMW 7 series or S class and the LS460L actually has more in common in feel with RR Phantom, even though the Phantom has a lot more mass with far fewer features. While the 7 and S are nice cars, I didn't find either as user friendly and in the end I had to think about which car would be more comfortable if I were just stuck in traffic.
I read earlier posts comparing the price/value to the BMW 7 series or S class and the LS460L actually has more in common in feel with RR Phantom, even though the Phantom has a lot more mass with far fewer features. While the 7 and S are nice cars, I didn't find either as user friendly and in the end I had to think about which car would be more comfortable if I were just stuck in traffic.
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Yeah I understand what you meant, I own a GS ![Wink](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
I was saying that the GS should drive as well as the new Sport version of the LS without having to have an expensive sport package. I do think there should be a sport appearance package of F sport parts, but the drive should be VERY sporty even in the base model.
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I was saying that the GS should drive as well as the new Sport version of the LS without having to have an expensive sport package. I do think there should be a sport appearance package of F sport parts, but the drive should be VERY sporty even in the base model.
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But for most people they don't see a big difference between the ES and GS because most people don't really care if their car is FWD or RWD.
That's why people hear are saying that stuff. In actuality the ES is the comfort alternative to the IS not the GS, but for most they see the size of the ES and GS and automatically compare them.
The next gen GS needs to be clearly and markedly better/nicer vehicle than the ES. The ES as it is now is a VERY NICE car and to most its "nice enough" for them, hence why a LOT more people buy the cheaper ES over GS.
The next GS needs to be very sporty and give buyers a unique driving experience that woos them away from the cheaper ES. It needs to be so unique and special that it puts the 5 series to shame. In addition to that it needs to much more luxurious on the inside (kinda like the pics of the Toyota Crown you posted last week in another thread).
The GS needs to be a Lexus people lust after and choose over anything else.