February 2010 Auto Sales Thread (Toyota/Lexus results in)
03-02-10, 04:06 PM
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Absoutely MASSIVE drop for Sedona sales compared to February last year. So much for Sedona sales being "ok". Kia sales only barely increased over last year, not as big of an increase that some may have been expecting.
Honda sales increased less than expected. Civic sales continue to be below the 20K monthly mark. CR-V sales down again for another month. Given the big increase of Sorento sales, I think a trend is emerging that the Sorento is stealing some CR-V sales. Escape sales were up big-time, so that model is not affected by the Sorento.
Another total fail month for the ZDX, less than 200 sold. Honda Insight also continues to fail, sales are lower than the Fit.
TL and TSX sales continue to be down from last year, despite the depressed market last year in January and February.
Crosstour sales not that great, Venza easily beat it sales-wise, even with the Toyota situation.
Great increase for Ford, retail sales up 28%, and thanks to increased fleet sales overall sales up 44%. Great to see Ford instead of GM being #1. If this trend continues, going into the future Ford will have a target on it's back however.
Overall I don't believe Ford sales increased due to the Toyota situation. I truly believe many Toyota buyers simply waited and did not buy anything for the month.
Toyota sales decreased less than people were expecting. Toyota still beat Honda and was #3 in sales for the month. Even with the whole Toyota situation, Corolla sales still beat Civic sales. The expected Toyota models saw decreased sales, due to the stop-sale recall and production shut down. Camry, Highlander, Rav4 all with expected lower sales. Sienna sales also expected as the new model is yet to fully reach dealer lots. 4Runner sales up big-time though, great to see that.
Another huge month for the GX, and RX sales continue to be strong as usual. Lexus sales were up for the month, so the Toyota situation did not really affect Lexus sales. ES, IS, LS sales were pretty solid.
Dodge Ram continues to be down big-time. The new Ram is not doing good at all.
Hyundai sales increased less than expected. I doubt Hyundai gained much, if at all due to Toyota's troubles. Solid sales for the Santa Fe and Elantra. Sonata sales off to a good start, but not a blazing start. Veracruz continues to fail, and combined Genesis sales continue to be below the 2K mark.
Great job for Benz; E Class sales are unstoppable right now.
For the most part, everyone's sales are up compared to the really low sales of February last year. Some brands increased less than expected, some brands increased more. Toyota for obvious reasons decreased.
Overall sales in the market are picking up, which is expected.
Looking at Canada sales, Hyundai outsold Honda! Total fail for Honda
. Acura the only major luxury brand down in Canada, another fail for Honda. Combined Hyundai/Kia sales came close to total Toyota/Lexus sales. Toyota should get a boost at the end of the year when Scion models go on sale in Canada.
Do you have proof that shoppers compare the TSX to the 3 Series and IS, that they "lump them" in the same category?
The TSX was I4 for years, only recently getting a V6 version. It is also FWD.
The IS, 3 Series are RWD, always have been.
So much for all the "analysts" and "industry observers" who claimed GM would be up huge, and Toyota would be beat by Honda this month 
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IMO I disagree. BMW sales for the month only had a small increase. It's possible Lexus sales might have been slightly affected, but IMO it's barely noticeable and I think in March sales will already start to improve. Never underestimate Toyota's ability to compete 
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This does not change the fact the TSX is exclusively FWD with no AWD option, while the IS and 3 Series are RWD with AWD options.
Sonata "shortage"? You're kidding me right? The Sonata has historically been the TOP selling Hyundai model. I don't buy that excuse at all, that Hyundai is short on Sonata supply. If that is actually the case, than that is Hyundai's fault.
The Sonata recall might have affected Sonata sales, but the recall happened near the end of the month. I think the impact was minimal.
Honda sales increased less than expected. Civic sales continue to be below the 20K monthly mark. CR-V sales down again for another month. Given the big increase of Sorento sales, I think a trend is emerging that the Sorento is stealing some CR-V sales. Escape sales were up big-time, so that model is not affected by the Sorento.
Another total fail month for the ZDX, less than 200 sold. Honda Insight also continues to fail, sales are lower than the Fit.
TL and TSX sales continue to be down from last year, despite the depressed market last year in January and February.
Crosstour sales not that great, Venza easily beat it sales-wise, even with the Toyota situation.
Great increase for Ford, retail sales up 28%, and thanks to increased fleet sales overall sales up 44%. Great to see Ford instead of GM being #1. If this trend continues, going into the future Ford will have a target on it's back however.
Overall I don't believe Ford sales increased due to the Toyota situation. I truly believe many Toyota buyers simply waited and did not buy anything for the month.
Toyota sales decreased less than people were expecting. Toyota still beat Honda and was #3 in sales for the month. Even with the whole Toyota situation, Corolla sales still beat Civic sales. The expected Toyota models saw decreased sales, due to the stop-sale recall and production shut down. Camry, Highlander, Rav4 all with expected lower sales. Sienna sales also expected as the new model is yet to fully reach dealer lots. 4Runner sales up big-time though, great to see that.
Another huge month for the GX, and RX sales continue to be strong as usual. Lexus sales were up for the month, so the Toyota situation did not really affect Lexus sales. ES, IS, LS sales were pretty solid.
Dodge Ram continues to be down big-time. The new Ram is not doing good at all.
Hyundai sales increased less than expected. I doubt Hyundai gained much, if at all due to Toyota's troubles. Solid sales for the Santa Fe and Elantra. Sonata sales off to a good start, but not a blazing start. Veracruz continues to fail, and combined Genesis sales continue to be below the 2K mark.
Great job for Benz; E Class sales are unstoppable right now.
For the most part, everyone's sales are up compared to the really low sales of February last year. Some brands increased less than expected, some brands increased more. Toyota for obvious reasons decreased.
Overall sales in the market are picking up, which is expected.
Looking at Canada sales, Hyundai outsold Honda! Total fail for Honda
. Acura the only major luxury brand down in Canada, another fail for Honda. Combined Hyundai/Kia sales came close to total Toyota/Lexus sales. Toyota should get a boost at the end of the year when Scion models go on sale in Canada. If I remember correctly when the TSX first came out it was in the same category as the IS and 3 series. Only later when 1 series and other models came out that the new sub entry level category was created.
But for the price and drivetrain configuration, any objective person would lump the TSX in the same category. Magazines may not compare them but shoppers certainly do.
The lumping of any car with into any category doesn't really matter - most folks come here for the numbers and we all appreciate all the work that goes into that.
But for the price and drivetrain configuration, any objective person would lump the TSX in the same category. Magazines may not compare them but shoppers certainly do.
The lumping of any car with into any category doesn't really matter - most folks come here for the numbers and we all appreciate all the work that goes into that.
The TSX was I4 for years, only recently getting a V6 version. It is also FWD.
The IS, 3 Series are RWD, always have been.
.While Toyota didn't get completely hit in the head and Lexus rose it still was bad. Lexus to me got affected, sales IMO could have rose at least 10%. I think people are waiting or bought something else. Remember its really tough to find a bad vehicle overall in regards to the competition. Since many segments are thick with competition something like this recall PR mess can tilt the balance into another brand.
Let us hope this is not a monthly TREND, which could be disastrous.
Let us hope this is not a monthly TREND, which could be disastrous.
.Sonata "shortage"? You're kidding me right? The Sonata has historically been the TOP selling Hyundai model. I don't buy that excuse at all, that Hyundai is short on Sonata supply. If that is actually the case, than that is Hyundai's fault.
The Sonata recall might have affected Sonata sales, but the recall happened near the end of the month. I think the impact was minimal.
03-02-10, 04:28 PM
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Hyundai couldn't gain much because last year hyundai gained in feb when everybody else except kia and subie dropped badly.
sedona is down because it's badly outdated compared to competition. this is why hyundai/kia needs to design something that aren't bland even for SUV. look at tucson last year, people stopped buying it because it was seriously outdated.
tucson shortage wasn't my assumption.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/19/h...-meet-surging/
for sonata, it's a shortage because 'camel' interior won't hit the dealer until late march i believe. and you don't see 20-25 sonatas on any of hyundai dealers from almost every states(from sonata board) also, it's definitely shortage in my area. only 3-4 floor models left last time i checked. you can't expect hyundai to sell over sonata 10,000 a month if there aren't enough sonatas in dealers. also, hyundai doesn't do pre orders. i hate that about hyundai. and my local dealers continue to sell every tucson they get.
sedona is down because it's badly outdated compared to competition. this is why hyundai/kia needs to design something that aren't bland even for SUV. look at tucson last year, people stopped buying it because it was seriously outdated.
tucson shortage wasn't my assumption.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/19/h...-meet-surging/
for sonata, it's a shortage because 'camel' interior won't hit the dealer until late march i believe. and you don't see 20-25 sonatas on any of hyundai dealers from almost every states(from sonata board) also, it's definitely shortage in my area. only 3-4 floor models left last time i checked. you can't expect hyundai to sell over sonata 10,000 a month if there aren't enough sonatas in dealers. also, hyundai doesn't do pre orders. i hate that about hyundai. and my local dealers continue to sell every tucson they get.
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03-02-10, 04:54 PM
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Just looking at the mid-sized family sedan numbers:
Accord 22,456 (includes 2,432 Crosstour's)
Camry 16,552 (does not include 3,414 Venza's)
Fusion 16,459
Altima 16,198
Mailbu 15,150
Sonata 7,506
Avenger 3,442
Sebring 3,160
Milan 2,675
Legacy 2,615
Optima 2,471
Camry sales must have really taken a big hit as Camry normally smokes Accord sales. Camry could have easily fallen into 4th! Now that would have been unprecedented.
Accord 22,456 (includes 2,432 Crosstour's)
Camry 16,552 (does not include 3,414 Venza's)
Fusion 16,459
Altima 16,198
Mailbu 15,150
Sonata 7,506
Avenger 3,442
Sebring 3,160
Milan 2,675
Legacy 2,615
Optima 2,471
Camry sales must have really taken a big hit as Camry normally smokes Accord sales. Camry could have easily fallen into 4th! Now that would have been unprecedented.
03-02-10, 04:54 PM
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i think it's because of the plant. hyundai is making sonata/santa fe in alabama and they have maximum capacity of 300k a year i believe.
http://www.edpa.org/industries/automotive.html
i guess selling 200k sonata is impossible when they can barely make 150k sonata year.
03-02-10, 05:03 PM
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Just looking at the mid-sized family sedan numbers:
Accord 22,456 (includes 2,432 Crosstour's)
Camry 16,552 (does not include 3,414 Venza's)
Fusion 16,459
Altima 16,198
Mailbu 15,150
Sonata 7,506
Avenger 3,442
Sebring 3,160
Milan 2,675
Legacy 2,615
Optima 2,471
Camry sales must have really taken a big hit as Camry normally smokes Accord sales. Camry could have easily fallen into 4th! Now that would have been unprecedented.
Accord 22,456 (includes 2,432 Crosstour's)
Camry 16,552 (does not include 3,414 Venza's)
Fusion 16,459
Altima 16,198
Mailbu 15,150
Sonata 7,506
Avenger 3,442
Sebring 3,160
Milan 2,675
Legacy 2,615
Optima 2,471
Camry sales must have really taken a big hit as Camry normally smokes Accord sales. Camry could have easily fallen into 4th! Now that would have been unprecedented.
03-02-10, 05:17 PM
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I would expect with the next-gen Camry coming soon, the hybrid model will be significantly updated and will likely be class-leading.
The model-year 2011 Camry is already on sale. If Toyota sticks to the usual 5 year cycle on the Camry, that means model-year 2012 will be the redesigned model.
The model-year 2011 Camry is already on sale. If Toyota sticks to the usual 5 year cycle on the Camry, that means model-year 2012 will be the redesigned model.
03-02-10, 05:43 PM
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Just looking at the mid-sized family sedan numbers:
Accord 22,456 (includes 2,432 Crosstour's)
Camry 16,552 (does not include 3,414 Venza's)
Fusion 16,459
Altima 16,198
Mailbu 15,150
Sonata 7,506
Avenger 3,442
Sebring 3,160
Milan 2,675
Legacy 2,615
Optima 2,471
Camry sales must have really taken a big hit as Camry normally smokes Accord sales. Camry could have easily fallen into 4th! Now that would have been unprecedented.
Accord 22,456 (includes 2,432 Crosstour's)
Camry 16,552 (does not include 3,414 Venza's)
Fusion 16,459
Altima 16,198
Mailbu 15,150
Sonata 7,506
Avenger 3,442
Sebring 3,160
Milan 2,675
Legacy 2,615
Optima 2,471
Camry sales must have really taken a big hit as Camry normally smokes Accord sales. Camry could have easily fallen into 4th! Now that would have been unprecedented.
Thanks for the results.
Two other things;
1. Camry is ending its life cycle.
2. Solara is being phased out
So that is hurting sales too and people need to recognize that.
03-02-10, 06:19 PM
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Porsche Reports February 2010 Sales
ATLANTA--Porsche Cars North America, Inc. (PCNA), importer and distributor of Porsche sports cars, Cayenne SUVs and the Panamera Gran Turismos in the United States, today announced February sales in the U.S. of 1,531, up slightly from the same period last year when it sold 1,518. This marks the sixth time in the last seven months that PCNA has recorded year-over-year sales growth.
February’s slight increase in sales comes despite the severe winter weather that hit the Northeast, which is one of Porsche’s top sales markets.
So far in 2010, Porsche has sold 3,317 new cars compared to last year when it sold 3,176, an increase of 4 percent.
For the month, Porsche’s Approved Certified Pre-Owned vehicle sales were 530, compared to 500 for the same month last year.
February’s slight increase in sales comes despite the severe winter weather that hit the Northeast, which is one of Porsche’s top sales markets.
So far in 2010, Porsche has sold 3,317 new cars compared to last year when it sold 3,176, an increase of 4 percent.
For the month, Porsche’s Approved Certified Pre-Owned vehicle sales were 530, compared to 500 for the same month last year.
03-02-10, 06:23 PM
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Mazda Reports Sales Increase for February
IRVINE, Calif., March 2 /PRNewswire/ -- Mazda North American Operations (MNAO) today reported February 2010 sales of 17,054, an increase of 4.0 percent versus February 2009, and the fourth straight month of sales increases. Year-to-date, Mazda sales are up 2.9 percent, and up 5.1 percent on a DSR (daily selling rate) basis (48 selling days in 2010 compared to 49 selling days through February in 2009).
Leading the charge was the all-new 2010 MAZDA3, winner of ALG’s Residual Value Award for highest retained value after three years in service, with sales of 8,215 units. MAZDA3 had its best February sales month since 2007.
In addition, the Mazda CX-7 and CX-9 boasted strong February sales. CX-7 reported sales of 1,796 units, up 14.1 percent and CX-9 accounted 2,014 units, up 22.0 percent compared to February 2009.
Rounding out the North American market, Mazda Canada Inc. (MCI) sold 4,929 units, up 6.0 percent compared to last February, while Mazda Motor de Mexico (MMdM) reported sales of 1,722 units, down 3.0 percent versus last year.
SOURCE Mazda North American Operations
Leading the charge was the all-new 2010 MAZDA3, winner of ALG’s Residual Value Award for highest retained value after three years in service, with sales of 8,215 units. MAZDA3 had its best February sales month since 2007.
In addition, the Mazda CX-7 and CX-9 boasted strong February sales. CX-7 reported sales of 1,796 units, up 14.1 percent and CX-9 accounted 2,014 units, up 22.0 percent compared to February 2009.
Rounding out the North American market, Mazda Canada Inc. (MCI) sold 4,929 units, up 6.0 percent compared to last February, while Mazda Motor de Mexico (MMdM) reported sales of 1,722 units, down 3.0 percent versus last year.
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Mazda North American Operations - February 2010
Month-To-Date Year-To-Date
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February February % % MTD February February % % YTD
2010 2009 Change DSR 2010 2009 Change DSR
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Mazda3 8,215 6,347 29.4% 29.4% 15,583 13,996 11.3% 13.7%
Mazda5 1,975 2,257 (12.5)% (12.5)% 3,602 3,597 0.1% 2.2%
Mazda6 2,427 3,513 (30.9)% (30.9)% 5,311 6,042 (12.1)% (10.3)%
MX-5 Miata 304 489 (37.8)% (37.8)% 660 908 (27.3)% (25.8)%
RX-8 77 155 (50.3)% (50.3)% 169 311 (45.7)% (44.5)%
CX-7 1,796 1,574 14.1% 14.1% 3,418 2,738 24.8% 27.4%
CX-9 2,014 1,651 22.0% 22.0% 3,525 3,384 4.2% 6.3%
Tribute 246 355 (30.7)% (30.7)% 476 752 (36.7)% (35.4)%
B-Series
Truck - 60 (100.0)% (100.0)% 4 93 (95.7)% (95.6)%
Total
Vehicles
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CARS 12,998 12,761 1.9% 1.9% 25,325 24,854 1.9% 4.0%
TRUCKS 4,056 3,640 11.4% 11.4% 7,423 6,967 6.5% 8.8%
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TOTAL 17,054 16,401 4.0% 4.0% 32,748 31,821 2.9% 5.1%
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MEMO:
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IMPORT
CAR 10,571 9,248 14.3% 20,014 18,812 6.4%
IMPORT
TRUCK 3,810 3,225 18.1% 6,943 6,122 13.4%
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IMPORT
TOTAL 14,381 12,473 15.3% 26,957 24,934 8.1%
DOMESTIC
CAR 2,427 3,513 (30.9)% 5,311 6,042 (12.1)%
DOMESTIC
TRUCK 246 415 (40.7)% 480 845 (43.2)%
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DOMESTIC
TOTALS 2,673 3,928 (32.0)% 5,791 6,887 (15.9)%
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03-02-10, 09:48 PM
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03-03-10, 07:16 AM
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the aged and plain Sedona sales were weak possibly because the sorrento sales MORE THAN DOUBLED.