February 2010 Auto Sales Thread (Toyota/Lexus results in)
02-28-10, 09:17 PM
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February 2010 Auto Sales Thread (Toyota/Lexus results in)
Results will likely post on Tuesday the 2nd, not tomorrow.....
January 2010 results
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...es-thread.html
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100...ary-auto-sales
Last Updated: February 28. 2010 3:07PM
Snowstorms, Toyota problems cut into February auto sales
Robert Snell / The Detroit News
February auto sales will rise an estimated 9 percent to 14 percent, a smaller than expected increase in the U.S. due to a shortage of hot-selling models, East Coast snowstorms and Toyota Motor Corp.'s recall problems, according to industry forecasters.
When results are released Tuesday, automotive research firm Edmunds.com predicts retail sales will increase 14.2 percent from a year earlier, while research firm TrueCar.com expects a nearly 9 percent bump. Toyota, battered by recall problems, is expected to fall to fourth place in overall brand sales behind Ford, Chevrolet and Honda and post its lowest share of the U.S. market since 2005, analysts said.
Industry analysts were expecting a bigger bump in sales this month based on strong demand during the Presidents Day weekend, yet the demand was not sustained, a possible sign of a more muted sales recovery, said Jessica Caldwell, Edmunds' director of industry analysis.
"We will have to wait until March to see if February is an aberration or a fundamental sign that the recovery in sales will be more subdued than hoped," Caldwell said.
There was a big divide between both forecasters' estimate of February's selling rate, with Edmunds predicting 10.6 million U.S. sales, a 100,000 vehicle drop from January, while TrueCar.com anticipates 10.04 million.
Severe weather that battered the East Coast also depressed sales, both forecasters said.
Toyota is expected to post a 12.6 percent share of the U.S. market, down more than 3 percentage points from a year earlier. That would be Toyota's lowest market share since July 2005, according to Edmunds.com.
Toyota has recalled about 8.5 million vehicles globally since September, including 6 million in the U.S., mostly for acceleration-related concerns.
Ford Motor Co. will post the largest increase among Detroit's Big Three automakers from a year earlier at 35.3 percent while GM sales will rise 16.2 percent, according to Edmunds.com. Chrysler Group LLC, however, will continue a prolonged slide with sales falling 20.2 percent.
That's close to the 19.8 percent decline for Chrysler forecasted by TrueCar.com.
Ford and GM along with South Korean automakers will be the biggest beneficiaries of Toyota's troubles.
GM sales could have been higher and Vice Chairman Bob Lutz said earlier this month the automaker has left "tons of money on the table" due to a shortage of vehicles such as the GMC Terrain, Chevrolet Equinox and some full-size sport utility vehicles. The Detroit automaker has responded by adding third shifts of production at multiple plants.
Foreign automakers, meanwhile, are expected to post market share gains amid Toyota's troubles, according to Edmunds.com
Honda Motor Co., Hyundai Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co. all are expected to grab larger shares of the U.S. market in February compared to a year earlier, according to Edmunds.com. Nissan is expected to post the biggest increase, from 7.9 percent a year ago to 9.5 percent.
From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100...#ixzz0gto113cA
January 2010 results
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...es-thread.html
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100...ary-auto-sales
Last Updated: February 28. 2010 3:07PM
Snowstorms, Toyota problems cut into February auto sales
Robert Snell / The Detroit News
February auto sales will rise an estimated 9 percent to 14 percent, a smaller than expected increase in the U.S. due to a shortage of hot-selling models, East Coast snowstorms and Toyota Motor Corp.'s recall problems, according to industry forecasters.
When results are released Tuesday, automotive research firm Edmunds.com predicts retail sales will increase 14.2 percent from a year earlier, while research firm TrueCar.com expects a nearly 9 percent bump. Toyota, battered by recall problems, is expected to fall to fourth place in overall brand sales behind Ford, Chevrolet and Honda and post its lowest share of the U.S. market since 2005, analysts said.
Industry analysts were expecting a bigger bump in sales this month based on strong demand during the Presidents Day weekend, yet the demand was not sustained, a possible sign of a more muted sales recovery, said Jessica Caldwell, Edmunds' director of industry analysis.
"We will have to wait until March to see if February is an aberration or a fundamental sign that the recovery in sales will be more subdued than hoped," Caldwell said.
There was a big divide between both forecasters' estimate of February's selling rate, with Edmunds predicting 10.6 million U.S. sales, a 100,000 vehicle drop from January, while TrueCar.com anticipates 10.04 million.
Severe weather that battered the East Coast also depressed sales, both forecasters said.
Toyota is expected to post a 12.6 percent share of the U.S. market, down more than 3 percentage points from a year earlier. That would be Toyota's lowest market share since July 2005, according to Edmunds.com.
Toyota has recalled about 8.5 million vehicles globally since September, including 6 million in the U.S., mostly for acceleration-related concerns.
Ford Motor Co. will post the largest increase among Detroit's Big Three automakers from a year earlier at 35.3 percent while GM sales will rise 16.2 percent, according to Edmunds.com. Chrysler Group LLC, however, will continue a prolonged slide with sales falling 20.2 percent.
That's close to the 19.8 percent decline for Chrysler forecasted by TrueCar.com.
Ford and GM along with South Korean automakers will be the biggest beneficiaries of Toyota's troubles.
GM sales could have been higher and Vice Chairman Bob Lutz said earlier this month the automaker has left "tons of money on the table" due to a shortage of vehicles such as the GMC Terrain, Chevrolet Equinox and some full-size sport utility vehicles. The Detroit automaker has responded by adding third shifts of production at multiple plants.
Foreign automakers, meanwhile, are expected to post market share gains amid Toyota's troubles, according to Edmunds.com
Honda Motor Co., Hyundai Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co. all are expected to grab larger shares of the U.S. market in February compared to a year earlier, according to Edmunds.com. Nissan is expected to post the biggest increase, from 7.9 percent a year ago to 9.5 percent.
From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100...#ixzz0gto113cA
02-28-10, 09:18 PM
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Luxury Brand Monthly Totals (not completed, will update as figures continue to come in)
Disclaimer-some cars can blend categories.
Benz-15,385
BMW-15,100
Lexus-13,787
Cadillac-9,273
Buick-9,121 (with only 3 models!!!)
Acura-8,939
Infiniti-7,041
Lincoln-6,681
Audi-6,216
Volvo-4,641 (process of being sold)
Saab-97 (on death bed)
Sub-Entry Level
LaCrosse-4,045
Milan-2,675 (hybrid starts at 31k so still pondering where this goes)
TSX-2,143
CC-1,383
S40/V50-909
S40-657
1-series-543
A3-434
Entry Level Luxury
3 series (all models)-5,418
Maxima-5,301
C-class-4,245
G37 (all models)-3,956
A4/A5-3,689
CTS-2,690
G37 (sedan)-2,686
A4-2,660
TL-2,410
ES-2,349
IS- (all models)1,991
MKZ-1,751
Lucerne-1,298
HS-712 (has base price of 35k)
S60-17
Premium Luxury
E-class-4,043 (includes coupes)
5 series-2,469 (new model comes to the USA in June)
Genesis (includes coupes)-1,762
MKS-1,183
M35/45-817
S80/V70-755
S80-662
DTS-611
A6-507
GS-488
STS-332
RL-131
Flagship Luxury
7 series-1,308
LS-799
S-class-715
Panamera - 409
A8-34
Coupes (inclusive of some non luxury brands)
Camaro-6,482
Mustang-5,115
Challenger-2,145
G37-1,270
C70-710
350/370Z-699
Corvette-624
911 - 339
CLK-204
Z4-198
Boxster/Cayman - 184
SL-104
6 series-97
TT-92
CL-77
GTR-71
SLK-61
R8-34
SC-27
XLR-26
Viper-24
Cute Utes
GLK-2,126
Q5-1,060
RDX-850
XC60-667
EX-575
X3-288 (model on the way out)
Midsize SUV
RX-5,694
Enclave-3,778
SRX-3,542
MDX-3,266
ML-1,655
X5-2,458
GX-1,473
MKX-1,452
FX-885
XC90-680
Cayenne - 599
XC70-576 (more of an "Allroad" type vehicle)
X6-384
ZDX-159
Large SUV
Escalade (all models)-2,072
Escalade-1,418
GL-1,368
QX-808
MKT-647
Navigator-541
Q7-366
LX-254
Disclaimer-some cars can blend categories.
Benz-15,385
BMW-15,100
Lexus-13,787
Cadillac-9,273
Buick-9,121 (with only 3 models!!!)
Acura-8,939
Infiniti-7,041
Lincoln-6,681
Audi-6,216
Volvo-4,641 (process of being sold)
Saab-97 (on death bed)
Sub-Entry Level
LaCrosse-4,045
Milan-2,675 (hybrid starts at 31k so still pondering where this goes)
TSX-2,143
CC-1,383
S40/V50-909
S40-657
1-series-543
A3-434
Entry Level Luxury
3 series (all models)-5,418
Maxima-5,301
C-class-4,245
G37 (all models)-3,956
A4/A5-3,689
CTS-2,690
G37 (sedan)-2,686
A4-2,660
TL-2,410
ES-2,349
IS- (all models)1,991
MKZ-1,751
Lucerne-1,298
HS-712 (has base price of 35k)
S60-17
Premium Luxury
E-class-4,043 (includes coupes)
5 series-2,469 (new model comes to the USA in June)
Genesis (includes coupes)-1,762
MKS-1,183
M35/45-817
S80/V70-755
S80-662
DTS-611
A6-507
GS-488
STS-332
RL-131
Flagship Luxury
7 series-1,308
LS-799
S-class-715
Panamera - 409
A8-34
Coupes (inclusive of some non luxury brands)
Camaro-6,482
Mustang-5,115
Challenger-2,145
G37-1,270
C70-710
350/370Z-699
Corvette-624
911 - 339
CLK-204
Z4-198
Boxster/Cayman - 184
SL-104
6 series-97
TT-92
CL-77
GTR-71
SLK-61
R8-34
SC-27
XLR-26
Viper-24
Cute Utes
GLK-2,126
Q5-1,060
RDX-850
XC60-667
EX-575
X3-288 (model on the way out)
Midsize SUV
RX-5,694
Enclave-3,778
SRX-3,542
MDX-3,266
ML-1,655
X5-2,458
GX-1,473
MKX-1,452
FX-885
XC90-680
Cayenne - 599
XC70-576 (more of an "Allroad" type vehicle)
X6-384
ZDX-159
Large SUV
Escalade (all models)-2,072
Escalade-1,418
GL-1,368
QX-808
MKT-647
Navigator-541
Q7-366
LX-254
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02-28-10, 09:21 PM
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February 2010 Auto Sales Thread
Don't know why the other thread was locked... i recall seeing other sales threads started before the month was over (not sure why it would matter either way).
in any event, i'll now adhere to the sales thread rules.
-article discusses february sales - check!
-date of this thread is march - check!
let the numbers roll in!
in any event, i'll now adhere to the sales thread rules.
-article discusses february sales - check!
-date of this thread is march - check!
let the numbers roll in!
Snow Hits February Car Sales
Car makers on Tuesday are expected to report disappointing U.S. sales for February, mainly due to snowstorms in the Northeast and Midwest that kept customers away from dealerships.
The quality crisis at Toyota Motor Corp. also is predicted to have hurt sales for that company by at least about 25%, according to industry forecasting firm TrueCar.
Others makers are likely to see gains, partly at the expense of Toyota, and partly because of increased sales to rental-car companies and other "fleet" customers.
February sales at Ford Motor Co., Hyundai Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co. are expected to have risen
Car makers on Tuesday are expected to report disappointing U.S. sales for February, mainly due to snowstorms in the Northeast and Midwest that kept customers away from dealerships.
The quality crisis at Toyota Motor Corp. also is predicted to have hurt sales for that company by at least about 25%, according to industry forecasting firm TrueCar.
Others makers are likely to see gains, partly at the expense of Toyota, and partly because of increased sales to rental-car companies and other "fleet" customers.
February sales at Ford Motor Co., Hyundai Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co. are expected to have risen
Toyota's troubles are likely to get the most attention when automakers report February sales Tuesday. But the Japanese automaker's pain isn't likely to translate into big gains for its rivals.
Sales tracker Edmunds.com forecasts U.S. market share for Toyota (TM) will fall to its lowest point in nearly five years, and that sales will tumble 10% from year-ago levels.
Most other automakers, including General Motors, Ford Motor (F, Fortune 500) and Hyundai Motor, are expected to post sales increases from a year ago. Overall, the industry should enjoy a modest gain in sales. Chrysler Group is the only other major car company that is likely to report a drop in sales.
But a small gain isn't very good when you consider that last February was the worst month for the industry since 1981.
"It's like saying the Detroit Lions were better this year because they had two wins rather than none," said Jesse Toprak, vice president of industry analysis for TrueCar.
J.D. Power & Associates is forecasting that industrywide sales are going to be up 8% from a year ago, but as was the case in January, fleet sales to businesses such as rental car companies should provide most of the lift. Sales to consumers are expected to be little changed from a year ago.
Most of the forecasts are for a seasonally adjusted annual sales rate of about 10 million vehicles, which would make this the worst month since September for sales.
"Just when we were going to get going on a sales recovery, this pushes us back a little bit," said Toprak.
Experts agree that much of the gains at Toyota's rivals will be coming from sales to rental car companies rather than individual customers who might have considered buying a Toyota before the recall.
"Our view is that Toyota buyers are sitting back and waiting," said Jeff Schuster, director of global forecasting at Power.
It wasn't just recalls depressing auto sales, though. The snow storms that hit much of eastern United States likely depressed sales as well. Of greater concern to experts is that consumer confidence appears to be sliding backwards.
The Conference Board's survey of 5,000 consumers found them more worried about current economic conditions than at any point in the last 27 years, worse even than a year ago when economists feared a second Great Depression. Not surprisingly, consumers planning to buy a new car in the next six months also fell from the depressed levels of a year ago.
"We will have to wait until March to see if February is an aberration or a fundamental sign that the recovery in sales will be more subdued than hoped," said Jessica Caldwell, director of industry analysis at Edmunds.com.
Still, Schuster still thinks the industry is poised for better sales in the months ahead. J.D. Power just raised its full-year sales forecast to 11.7 million vehicles from its earlier estimate of 11.5 million.
"We're starting to see credit and leasing free up. The main economic numbers are looking better," he said. "Those are setting the foundations for a positive recovery."
Sales tracker Edmunds.com forecasts U.S. market share for Toyota (TM) will fall to its lowest point in nearly five years, and that sales will tumble 10% from year-ago levels.
Most other automakers, including General Motors, Ford Motor (F, Fortune 500) and Hyundai Motor, are expected to post sales increases from a year ago. Overall, the industry should enjoy a modest gain in sales. Chrysler Group is the only other major car company that is likely to report a drop in sales.
But a small gain isn't very good when you consider that last February was the worst month for the industry since 1981.
"It's like saying the Detroit Lions were better this year because they had two wins rather than none," said Jesse Toprak, vice president of industry analysis for TrueCar.
J.D. Power & Associates is forecasting that industrywide sales are going to be up 8% from a year ago, but as was the case in January, fleet sales to businesses such as rental car companies should provide most of the lift. Sales to consumers are expected to be little changed from a year ago.
Most of the forecasts are for a seasonally adjusted annual sales rate of about 10 million vehicles, which would make this the worst month since September for sales.
"Just when we were going to get going on a sales recovery, this pushes us back a little bit," said Toprak.
Experts agree that much of the gains at Toyota's rivals will be coming from sales to rental car companies rather than individual customers who might have considered buying a Toyota before the recall.
"Our view is that Toyota buyers are sitting back and waiting," said Jeff Schuster, director of global forecasting at Power.
It wasn't just recalls depressing auto sales, though. The snow storms that hit much of eastern United States likely depressed sales as well. Of greater concern to experts is that consumer confidence appears to be sliding backwards.
The Conference Board's survey of 5,000 consumers found them more worried about current economic conditions than at any point in the last 27 years, worse even than a year ago when economists feared a second Great Depression. Not surprisingly, consumers planning to buy a new car in the next six months also fell from the depressed levels of a year ago.
"We will have to wait until March to see if February is an aberration or a fundamental sign that the recovery in sales will be more subdued than hoped," said Jessica Caldwell, director of industry analysis at Edmunds.com.
Still, Schuster still thinks the industry is poised for better sales in the months ahead. J.D. Power just raised its full-year sales forecast to 11.7 million vehicles from its earlier estimate of 11.5 million.
"We're starting to see credit and leasing free up. The main economic numbers are looking better," he said. "Those are setting the foundations for a positive recovery."
02-28-10, 09:58 PM
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TrueCar.com Predicts February 2010 Sales
http://www.marketwire.com/press-rele...es-1121512.htm
This looks to be a difficult month, although perhaps fortunately this is a slow season for car sales.
http://blog.truecar.com/?p=2087
Code:
Unit Sales Forecast
Feb. 2010 Change vs. Change vs.
Manufacturer Forecast Jan. 2010 Feb. 2009
---------- ---------- ----------
Chrysler 67,415 18% -20%
Ford 129,326 15% 35%
GM 152,797 5% 21%
Honda 82,981 23% 16%
Nissan 66,523 6% 23%
Toyota 80,543 -18% -27%
Hyundai/Kia 62,671 19% 19%
Market Share Forecast
Feb. 2010 January February
Manufacturer Forecast 2010 2009
---------- ---------- ----------
Chrysler 9.0% 8.2% 12.2%
Ford 17.2% 16.1% 14.0%
GM 20.3% 20.9% 18.4%
Honda 11.0% 9.7% 10.4%
Nissan 8.9% 9.0% 7.9%
Toyota 10.7% 14.2% 15.9%
Hyundai/Kia 8.3% 7.5% 7.6%
Market share forecasts for the origin of the manufacturer for February:
Feb. 2010 January February
Manufacturer Forecast 2010 2009
---------- ---------- ----------
Europe 9.2% 9.2% 8.4%
Japan 36.1% 38.2% 39.5%
South Korea 8.3% 7.5% 7.6%
USA 46.4% 45.2% 44.5%
Code:
Sales Forecast Make Feb 2010 %CNG/Jan10 %CNG/Feb09 BMW 14,224 8.06% 9.59% MB 15,986 8.55% 12.51% LEXUS 11,348 -26.87% -13.43% SCION 2,714 -10.58% -26.63% TOYOTA 66,481 -17.15% -28.34%
http://blog.truecar.com/?p=2087
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02-28-10, 10:15 PM
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Japan non-mini auto sales +35.1 pct in Feb
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUST...pe=marketsNews
March 1 (Reuters) - Automobile sales in Japan, excluding
660cc minivehicles, rose 35.1 percent in February from a year
earlier to 294,887 vehicles, the Japan Automobile Dealers
Association said on Monday.
Sales at top-ranked Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T), excluding the
Lexus brand, rose 47.9 percent, while Nissan Motor Co (7201.T)
gained 17.8 percent and Honda Motor Co (7267.T) increased 36.2
percent.
The following is a sales breakdown, with percentage changes
from a year earlier, for February:
TOTAL 294,887 (+35.1)
Cars 270,389 (+39.2)
Trucks 22,994 (+1.3)
Toyota Motor (7203.T) 149,518 (+49.9)
- Toyota brand 146,145 (+47.9)
- Lexus* 3,373 (+257.3)
Nissan Motor (7201.T) 47,948 (+17.8)
Honda Motor (7267.T) 41,009 (+36.2)
Mazda Motor (7261.T) 16,252 (+43.7)
Mitsubishi Motors (7211.T) 6,000 (+54.6)
Suzuki Motor (7269.T) 5,341 (-13.7)
Fuji Heavy (7270.T) 7,423 (+17.6)
Imports 14,433 (+16.9)
*Lexus is the luxury brand of Toyota Motor. Sales in Japan
began on Aug. 30, 2005.
660cc minivehicles, rose 35.1 percent in February from a year
earlier to 294,887 vehicles, the Japan Automobile Dealers
Association said on Monday.
Sales at top-ranked Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T), excluding the
Lexus brand, rose 47.9 percent, while Nissan Motor Co (7201.T)
gained 17.8 percent and Honda Motor Co (7267.T) increased 36.2
percent.
The following is a sales breakdown, with percentage changes
from a year earlier, for February:
TOTAL 294,887 (+35.1)
Cars 270,389 (+39.2)
Trucks 22,994 (+1.3)
Toyota Motor (7203.T) 149,518 (+49.9)
- Toyota brand 146,145 (+47.9)
- Lexus* 3,373 (+257.3)
Nissan Motor (7201.T) 47,948 (+17.8)
Honda Motor (7267.T) 41,009 (+36.2)
Mazda Motor (7261.T) 16,252 (+43.7)
Mitsubishi Motors (7211.T) 6,000 (+54.6)
Suzuki Motor (7269.T) 5,341 (-13.7)
Fuji Heavy (7270.T) 7,423 (+17.6)
Imports 14,433 (+16.9)
*Lexus is the luxury brand of Toyota Motor. Sales in Japan
began on Aug. 30, 2005.
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hey 1sick, thanks for merging.
question, why was my other thread locked? the article was on topic discussing feb car sales.
if it's because its 2 days early, i still don't see why that would make a difference. it doesn't make it any less relevant, and besides there were no concrete numbers.
just trying to understand the rules.
question, why was my other thread locked? the article was on topic discussing feb car sales.
if it's because its 2 days early, i still don't see why that would make a difference. it doesn't make it any less relevant, and besides there were no concrete numbers.
just trying to understand the rules.
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hey 1sick, thanks for merging.
question, why was my other thread locked? the article was on topic discussing feb car sales.
if it's because its 2 days early, i still don't see why that would make a difference. it doesn't make it any less relevant, and besides there were no concrete numbers.
just trying to understand the rules.
question, why was my other thread locked? the article was on topic discussing feb car sales.
if it's because its 2 days early, i still don't see why that would make a difference. it doesn't make it any less relevant, and besides there were no concrete numbers.
just trying to understand the rules.
We have done this thread for 5 yeas now I believe, the first auto forum to do so. Every month a dedicated few take their time to gather results so they can be evaluated and talked about (and cut and pasted and put on other forums with not a lick of credit). I think a lot of us truly enjoy finding the info and sharing it. We then add opinions in most cases.
This is a thread presented by those that have done so month after month for years so people can see the results are legitimate. We have many people in the past try to start the thread just to start it and contribute either nothing else or ranting and ridiculous commentary. For instance GS69 posts here sometimes, then he twists the results to his liking on his Honda forum (for example he puts the IS in the sub entry level category instead of the same category of the 3 series because of bias. Every magazine comparison has compared the 3 and the IS worldwide. There has not been ONE comparison with the IS vs the TSX or 1 series
) We try to make the categories as fair as possible and I personally add a disclaimer. If I and we were idiots or fanboys we would spin results and put things like the GS in the LS category and the LS in the Bentley category with NO explanation of why. Contrarily DrewSXR posts on some other forums and he makes a pretty good list and we have chatted before. I've cut and pasted his lists with minimal amendments and given him the credit he deserves for posting it.If after a few months you continue to donate information, then it would be appropriate for you to start the sales thread and members can see you are here to contribute to it.
The magazines and internet are full of enough;
-idiots
-morons
-clueless
-simply not knowledgeable
-completely and blindly biased
that this sales thread is a breathe of fresh air. You get the numbers, the numbers are produced, you get to evaluate as you please. People have even added suggestions which were used.
We even have members that add Excel charts and worldwide figures.
It is a COMPLETE TEAM EFFORT.I say all this to say if you (or anyone else) want to contribute every month/most months with links/facts and then your opinion(s) that is fantastic and we would love to have you aboard where in the future you can start a sales thread.
For now the usual suspects will do so so the PEOPLE know its a trusted source.
(P.S don't mind the bold and most of this is not directed just to you, others are probably curious about this threads history)
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This is a thread presented by those that have done so month after month for years so people can see the results are legitimate[/B]. We have many people in the past try to start the thread just to start it and contribute either nothing else or ranting and ridiculous commentary. For instance GS69 posts here sometimes, then he twists the results to his liking on his Honda forum (for example he puts the IS in the sub entry level category instead of the same category of the 3 series because of bias. Every magazine comparison has compared the 3 and the IS worldwide. There has not been ONE comparison with the IS vs the TSX or 1 series) We try to make the categories as fair as possible and I personally add a disclaimer.
) We try to make the categories as fair as possible and I personally add a disclaimer.But for the price and drivetrain configuration, any objective person would lump the TSX in the same category. Magazines may not compare them but shoppers certainly do.
The lumping of any car with into any category doesn't really matter - most folks come here for the numbers and we all appreciate all the work that goes into that.
03-02-10, 08:06 AM
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Autoobserver/Edmunds forecast
http://www.autoobserver.com/2010/02/...ever.html#more
http://www.autoobserver.com/2010/02/...ever.html#more
February 25, 2010
On a company by company basis, Edmunds.com predicts the following:
GM will sell 147,000 vehicles, up 16.2 percent from February 2009 and up 0.2 percent from January for a market share of 18.7 percent, up from 18.4 percent in February 2009 and down from 21.0 percent in January.
Ford will sell 136,000 vehicles, up 35.3 percent from February 2009 and up 18.9 percent from January for a market share of 17.3 percent, up from 14.6 percent in February 2009 and up from 16.5 percent in January.
Toyota will sell 99,000 vehicles in February 2010, down 10.1 percent from February 2009 and down 0.2 percent from January for a market share of 12.6 percent, down from 15.9 percent in February 2009 and down from 14.2 percent in January 2010.
Chrysler will sell 67,000 vehicles, down 20.2 percent from February 2009 and up 18.2 percent from January for a market share of 8.5 percent, down from 12.2 percent in February 2009 and up from 8.1 percent in January.
Honda will sell 89,000 vehicles, up 24.1 percent from February 2009 and up 31.6 percent from January for a market share of 11.3 percent, up from 10.4 percent in February 2009 and up from 9.7 percent in January.
Nissan will sell 75,000 vehicles, up 38.1 percent from February 2009 and up 19.7 percent from January for a market share of 9.5 percent, up from 7.9 percent in February 2009 and up from 9.0 percent in January.
Hyundai will sell 66,000 vehicles, up 24.7 percent from February 2009 and up 24.9 percent from January for a market share of 8.4 percent, up from 7.7 percent in February 2009 and up from 7.6 percent in January 2010.
On a company by company basis, Edmunds.com predicts the following:
GM will sell 147,000 vehicles, up 16.2 percent from February 2009 and up 0.2 percent from January for a market share of 18.7 percent, up from 18.4 percent in February 2009 and down from 21.0 percent in January.
Ford will sell 136,000 vehicles, up 35.3 percent from February 2009 and up 18.9 percent from January for a market share of 17.3 percent, up from 14.6 percent in February 2009 and up from 16.5 percent in January.
Toyota will sell 99,000 vehicles in February 2010, down 10.1 percent from February 2009 and down 0.2 percent from January for a market share of 12.6 percent, down from 15.9 percent in February 2009 and down from 14.2 percent in January 2010.
Chrysler will sell 67,000 vehicles, down 20.2 percent from February 2009 and up 18.2 percent from January for a market share of 8.5 percent, down from 12.2 percent in February 2009 and up from 8.1 percent in January.
Honda will sell 89,000 vehicles, up 24.1 percent from February 2009 and up 31.6 percent from January for a market share of 11.3 percent, up from 10.4 percent in February 2009 and up from 9.7 percent in January.
Nissan will sell 75,000 vehicles, up 38.1 percent from February 2009 and up 19.7 percent from January for a market share of 9.5 percent, up from 7.9 percent in February 2009 and up from 9.0 percent in January.
Hyundai will sell 66,000 vehicles, up 24.7 percent from February 2009 and up 24.9 percent from January for a market share of 8.4 percent, up from 7.7 percent in February 2009 and up from 7.6 percent in January 2010.