Mercedes AMG New Twin-Turbo 5.5 Litre V8 Engine Revealed
03-03-10 | 06:19 AM
#32
Great article and crazy news for Merc.
As someone else previously mentioned why don't they (or all other car manufacturers) spend more time on weight reduction (especially in KEY areas)? Just think about it for a second...anything with 350hp+ horsepower is POWERFUL! However, when you look back in time the same model car was/is quicker than the newer model with LESS power due to the older car weighing much less.
A GREAT example is the Nissan Maxima...correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the '02 models the quickest Maximas ever? Or at least VERY close to the brand new ones? and I think they only had 190hp or so to boot!
Reduction of weight helps in ALL areas when done properly; the car will REQUIRE less power, consume less gas and FEEL more nimble on the road. Instead the car manufacturers of present day are just making larger engines (more output), which EAT more gas and upgrade to costly, high(er) performance suspension components JUST to achieve similar or slightly better performance results than the same (or similar) models from previous years. All these "upgrades" also drive the COST of these new vehicles up even moreso and in these times of economical distress sucks even more for the consumer.
There ARE MANY ways that the major auto players can make BETTER cars and keep performance in tact without adding/changing several parts leading to JACKED car prices. Back to my previous example...what is the cost of the new Maxima? $38K fairly loaded? Nice car, but it's still a GOOD chunk of change for a Nissan... IMHO.
As someone else previously mentioned why don't they (or all other car manufacturers) spend more time on weight reduction (especially in KEY areas)? Just think about it for a second...anything with 350hp+ horsepower is POWERFUL! However, when you look back in time the same model car was/is quicker than the newer model with LESS power due to the older car weighing much less.
A GREAT example is the Nissan Maxima...correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the '02 models the quickest Maximas ever? Or at least VERY close to the brand new ones? and I think they only had 190hp or so to boot!
Reduction of weight helps in ALL areas when done properly; the car will REQUIRE less power, consume less gas and FEEL more nimble on the road. Instead the car manufacturers of present day are just making larger engines (more output), which EAT more gas and upgrade to costly, high(er) performance suspension components JUST to achieve similar or slightly better performance results than the same (or similar) models from previous years. All these "upgrades" also drive the COST of these new vehicles up even moreso and in these times of economical distress sucks even more for the consumer.
There ARE MANY ways that the major auto players can make BETTER cars and keep performance in tact without adding/changing several parts leading to JACKED car prices. Back to my previous example...what is the cost of the new Maxima? $38K fairly loaded? Nice car, but it's still a GOOD chunk of change for a Nissan... IMHO.
03-03-10 | 07:10 AM
#33
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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...rototype_drive
This tech is also supposed to come in the Q5, Q7, and I would assume the rest of the Audi lineup eventually. But who knows what it will cost.
This tech is also supposed to come in the Q5, Q7, and I would assume the rest of the Audi lineup eventually. But who knows what it will cost.
from me.I'll never buy another F if they go FI, mark my words.
03-09-10 | 09:43 AM
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AMG Unwraps new 563-hp V8 Biturbo
don't think this is a repost... DAMN!
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...8-biturbo.html
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...8-biturbo.html
Mercedes performance division AMG has just announced its new biturbo V8 engine, making 536-hp and 590 ft-lbs of torque (563-hp and 664 ft-lbs of torque with the AMG Performance Package). Designed to replace the 6.2-liter AMG mill, the M157 engine will first appear in the 2011 S63, where it will also make a decent 22.4 mpg and carry the luxurious beast to 60 mph in just 4.3 seconds. Top speed for the new S63 will be rated at 186 mph when equipped with the AMG performance package. After, Mercedes will begin to use the engine in all of its AMG 63 models, including in the SLS, where it is expected to get even more power.
In the S63, the new V8 Biturbo will use Mercedes’ AMG SPEEDSHIFT MCT 7-speed sports transmission, which first debuted on the SL63. In “M” Manual mode, it will not automatically downshift or upshift, even at redline, to give the drive optimum control.
Torque for the new engine is available at very low revs, with 494 ft-lbs on ta at just 1500 rpm, while 590 ft-lbs are delivered at 2400 rpm. As for the AMG Performance Package models, 645 ft-lbs comes on at 2000 rpm, while 664 ft-lbs starts at 2500 rpm.
Engine highlights include direct-injection with piezo electric injectors and the use of a start/stop system to conserve fuel while the car isn’t in motion in a new Controlled Efficiency mode.
To help showcase the new engine Mercedes has commissioned a special S63 AMG showcar, designed after the 300 SEL 6.8 AMG, which took a class victory and second place overall at the 24-hour race in Spa-Francorchamps in 1971.
In the S63, the new V8 Biturbo will use Mercedes’ AMG SPEEDSHIFT MCT 7-speed sports transmission, which first debuted on the SL63. In “M” Manual mode, it will not automatically downshift or upshift, even at redline, to give the drive optimum control.
Torque for the new engine is available at very low revs, with 494 ft-lbs on ta at just 1500 rpm, while 590 ft-lbs are delivered at 2400 rpm. As for the AMG Performance Package models, 645 ft-lbs comes on at 2000 rpm, while 664 ft-lbs starts at 2500 rpm.
Engine highlights include direct-injection with piezo electric injectors and the use of a start/stop system to conserve fuel while the car isn’t in motion in a new Controlled Efficiency mode.
To help showcase the new engine Mercedes has commissioned a special S63 AMG showcar, designed after the 300 SEL 6.8 AMG, which took a class victory and second place overall at the 24-hour race in Spa-Francorchamps in 1971.
03-13-10 | 11:37 PM
#43
So if they will drop this into S550/E550, this will basically make the current S63/E63 owners extremely butthurt 
With that being said, seems like BMW and MB are very serious about these twin turbo motors. BMW's lineup is pretty much entirely switched over to base TT i6 and premium TT V8. Now MB is getting TT V8, and I wonder if they will make a TT V6 as well. Their current 3.5 V6 is seriously lacking.
I wonder if Lexus and Infiniti will make an answer for these with some of their own TT goodness. Time to blow the dust of the 2JZ-GTE and VG30DETT
With that being said, seems like BMW and MB are very serious about these twin turbo motors. BMW's lineup is pretty much entirely switched over to base TT i6 and premium TT V8. Now MB is getting TT V8, and I wonder if they will make a TT V6 as well. Their current 3.5 V6 is seriously lacking.
I wonder if Lexus and Infiniti will make an answer for these with some of their own TT goodness. Time to blow the dust of the 2JZ-GTE and VG30DETT
03-14-10 | 12:13 AM
#45
So if they will drop this into S550/E550, this will basically make the current S63/E63 owners extremely butthurt
With that being said, seems like BMW and MB are very serious about these twin turbo motors. BMW's lineup is pretty much entirely switched over to base TT i6 and premium TT V8. Now MB is getting TT V8, and I wonder if they will make a TT V6 as well. Their current 3.5 V6 is seriously lacking.
I wonder if Lexus and Infiniti will make an answer for these with some of their own TT goodness. Time to blow the dust of the 2JZ-GTE and VG30DETT
With that being said, seems like BMW and MB are very serious about these twin turbo motors. BMW's lineup is pretty much entirely switched over to base TT i6 and premium TT V8. Now MB is getting TT V8, and I wonder if they will make a TT V6 as well. Their current 3.5 V6 is seriously lacking.
I wonder if Lexus and Infiniti will make an answer for these with some of their own TT goodness. Time to blow the dust of the 2JZ-GTE and VG30DETT