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Old 03-01-10, 12:07 PM
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Default European Vs USA gasoline / petrol

Asia posted a picture of how much he pays for gasoline. It was around $7.3 U.S. dollars a gallon. I would like to discuss differences between US and European gasoline as well is gas mileage differences.

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Different countries have some variation in what RON (Research Octane Number) is standard for gasoline, or petrol. In the UK, ordinary regular unleaded petrol is 91 RON (not commonly available), premium unleaded petrol is always 95 RON, and super unleaded is usually 97-98 RON. However both Shell and BP produce fuel at 102 RON for cars with hi-performance engines, and the supermarket chain Tesco began in 2006 to sell super unleaded petrol rated at 99 RON. In the US, octane ratings in unleaded fuels can vary between 86-87 AKI (91-92 RON) for regular, through 89-90 AKI (94-95 RON) for mid-grade (European Premium), up to 90-94 AKI (95-99 RON) for premium (European Super

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasolin...ound_the_world

Also from what I read it looks like they do not add ethanol in most European countries and some still use lead.

Lets compare.
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Also someone claimed that European gasoline is of better quality

Is this true?

http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/f...quality-20286/
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Old 03-01-10, 01:10 PM
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In Sweden the ethanol content in premium gasoline (95 RON) is 5%. And most fuel stations today only has premium gasoline, diesel and ethanol. It's quite hard to find better gasoline then premium on the country side. And when it comes to price, on my last fuel up I payed 12.80 SEK ($1.78 US) for a liter. That is around $6.75 US for a gallon if I calculated correctly.

And I have no idea about the quality on the fuel between Europe and USA in general but western Europe has in the most cases better fuel then eastern Europe even if the differences is getting smaller.
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If you insist, here you have it again



We have 95 and 98 RON around here + some special mixtures like Shell V-Power, BP Ultimate, ESSO Supreme which suppose to be even better than regular 95/98

No fuel with lead in NL
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what kind of gas mileage are you Europeans getting? I get 16-19 city and 26-28 mpg highway this is at 3800 ft in altitude with premium gas (97 RON) with 10% alcohol and oxygenated. Temperatures are around 50°F
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In Estonia (east europe):
1L = 17 EEK or 1L = 1,08€ = 1,48$, that makes 1galon=5,4$.

In Latvia it´s a bit cheaper, in Finland and most european countries it´s more expensive. Last year it was 1galon=3,6$. Crazy *** politicians screw everything up
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$1.12 per litre for Premium here in Canada. I just filled up tonight, $90

87,89,91 and 94 are all offered in my area
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Around 23mpg average
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Originally Posted by Asia-H.T.
Around 23mpg average
is that miles per imperial gallon, or u.s. gallon?
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Originally Posted by sam12345
what kind of gas mileage are you Europeans getting?
with the price they're paying, any upside still isn't worth it!

regardless, euro gasoline is in no way 'better' than u.s. gasoline afaik.
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There are places in Sophisticated Yurope where petrol is diluted with goat urine

How many people on here would feel comfortable fueling up their Lexus say somewhere in Kosovo?
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Originally Posted by Och
There are places in Sophisticated Yurope where petrol is diluted with goat urine

How many people on here would feel comfortable fueling up their Lexus say somewhere in Kosovo?
Let's shorten that last sentence down a bit so that it describes the real situation: How many people on here would feel comfortable somewhere in Kosovo?

Also, I'm not quite sure you understand what poor kind of petrol they mix with goat ****. The reason for mixing the goat **** into the mix is to make the petrol better!

//Pjotr... well, not.
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Ducati recommends 95 octane.

I have to live with 91...
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Originally Posted by Och
There are places in Sophisticated Yurope where petrol is diluted with goat urine

How many people on here would feel comfortable fueling up their Lexus say somewhere in Kosovo?
Where in Sophisticated Yurope is petrol diluted with goat urine? Presumably where it isn't diluted with finest red wine.

Since Lexus are designed to be used with low quality US fuel you wouldn't have any problems filling it in Kosovo.

Seek and you shall find:

Generally, octane ratings are higher in Europe than they are in North America and most other parts of the world. This is especially true when comparing the lowest available octane level in each country. In many parts of Europe, 95 RON (90-91 AKI) is the minimum available standard, with 97/98 RON being higher specification (being called Super Unleaded). The higher rating seen in Europe is an artifact of a different underlying measuring procedure. In most countries (including all of Europe and Australia) the "headline" octane that would be shown on the pump is the RON, but in Canada, the United States and some other countries the headline number is the average of the RON and the MON, sometimes called the Anti-Knock Index (AKI), Road Octane Number (RdON), Pump Octane Number (PON), or (R+M)/2. Because of the 8 to 10 point difference noted above, this means that the octane in the United States will be about 4 to 5 points lower than the same fuel elsewhere: 87 octane fuel, the "regular" gasoline in Canada and the US, would be 91-92 in Europe. However most European pumps deliver 95 (RON) as "regular", equivalent to 90–91 US AKI=(R+M)/2, and deliver 98, 99 or 100 (RON) (93-94 AKI) labeled as Super Unleaded - thus regular petrol sold in much of Europe corresponds to premium sold in the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

in the Rocky Mountain (high altitude) states, 85 AKI is the minimum octane, and 91 AKI is the maximum octane available in fuel. The reason for this is that in higher-altitude areas, a typical naturally-aspirated engine draws in less air mass per cycle due to the reduced density of the atmosphere. This directly translates to less fuel and reduced absolute compression in the cylinder, therefore deterring knock. It is safe to fill up a carbureted car that normally takes 87 AKI fuel at sea level with 85 AKI fuel in the mountains, but at sea level the fuel may cause damage to the engine. A disadvantage to this strategy is that most turbocharged vehicles are unable to produce full power, even when using the "premium" 91 AKI fuel. In some east coast states, up to 94 AKI is available [1]. In parts of the Midwest (primarily Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois and Missouri) ethanol based E-85 fuel with 105 AKI is available [2]. Often, filling stations near US racing tracks will offer higher octane levels such as 100 AKI. California fuel stations will offer 87, 89, and 91 AKI octane fuels, and at some stations, 100 AKI or higher octane, sold as racing fuel. Until summer 2001 before the phase-out of methyl tert-butyl ether aka MTBE as an octane enhancer additive, 92 AKI was offered in lieu of 91.

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Good to know! thanks
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