Can anyone confirm that a car can be shifted to Neutral when engine is racing up?
03-09-10, 03:44 PM
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I dont think anyone has ever able to re-create event where brakes fail to stop the vehicle. Even Gilbert said that brakes would stop the vehicle.
Why is the story fishy? Prius has SMART PEDALS INSTALLED. When you press the brakes in Prius, gas pedal is over-ridden... your car stops right away.
Here is PriusChat story... they also have Youtube of their own test on Gen2 Prius and braking under WOT:
http://priuschat.com/news/why-out-co...ver-is-full-it
Why is the story fishy? Prius has SMART PEDALS INSTALLED. When you press the brakes in Prius, gas pedal is over-ridden... your car stops right away.
Here is PriusChat story... they also have Youtube of their own test on Gen2 Prius and braking under WOT:
http://priuschat.com/news/why-out-co...ver-is-full-it
03-09-10, 04:01 PM
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I dont think anyone has ever able to re-create event where brakes fail to stop the vehicle. Even Gilbert said that brakes would stop the vehicle.
Why is the story fishy? Prius has SMART PEDALS INSTALLED. When you press the brakes in Prius, gas pedal is over-ridden... your car stops right away.
Here is PriusChat story... they also have Youtube of their own test on Gen2 Prius and braking under WOT:
http://priuschat.com/news/why-out-co...ver-is-full-it
Why is the story fishy? Prius has SMART PEDALS INSTALLED. When you press the brakes in Prius, gas pedal is over-ridden... your car stops right away.
Here is PriusChat story... they also have Youtube of their own test on Gen2 Prius and braking under WOT:
http://priuschat.com/news/why-out-co...ver-is-full-it
03-09-10, 04:16 PM
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There is nothing to be scared of. Do not let
-dumb people
-dumb media people
-twisted results
-lawyers looking to make a buck
intimidate you. The cars are fine. The car can be slapped in neutral or you can hold the power button. The brakes WILL also slow the vehicle down if you slam on them.
If you didn't know this it just adds more confirmation that our drivers test is a complete joke and people that do know how to drive and take care of things in emergency situations are surrounded by drivers who know how many cupholders their car has but doesn't know how to stop a car.
-dumb people
-dumb media people
-twisted results
-lawyers looking to make a buck
intimidate you. The cars are fine. The car can be slapped in neutral or you can hold the power button. The brakes WILL also slow the vehicle down if you slam on them.
If you didn't know this it just adds more confirmation that our drivers test is a complete joke and people that do know how to drive and take care of things in emergency situations are surrounded by drivers who know how many cupholders their car has but doesn't know how to stop a car.
looks like i worried too much lol
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03-09-10, 04:22 PM
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Where's the media uproar for the GM 1.3mil recall? O that's right, it's a USDM manufacturer owned by the govt, why would the media that follows the govt report something bad about them.....bash Toyota, make them look bad and drive people to GM.....low blow scheme in my book.
OP: Yes you can, I had an SC4, and the TRAC light would come on sometimes on the highway, I would shift to neutral, shut the car off, going 65mph mind you, start it up, would clear the TRAC light, and shift right back into D. Cant' say it was super healthy for the transmission, but it did work.
OP: Yes you can, I had an SC4, and the TRAC light would come on sometimes on the highway, I would shift to neutral, shut the car off, going 65mph mind you, start it up, would clear the TRAC light, and shift right back into D. Cant' say it was super healthy for the transmission, but it did work.
03-09-10, 04:36 PM
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as a side note, the brakes will always slow the vehicle down. my diesel makes 800 ft lbs of torque and even on that truck, i can floor the fuel pedal and hit the brake with the other foot and the truck slows down, and let me tell you, the brakes on the truck are nothing special!
so there's no way a 300 ft lb engine will overwhelm the brakes on any toyota.
and yes, any car can be put in N at any speed. the engine and throttle are compeltely seperate systems from the trans and shifter mechanism.
so there's no way a 300 ft lb engine will overwhelm the brakes on any toyota.
and yes, any car can be put in N at any speed. the engine and throttle are compeltely seperate systems from the trans and shifter mechanism.
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03-09-10, 08:39 PM
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There is nothing to be scared of. Do not let
-dumb people
-dumb media people
-twisted results
-lawyers looking to make a buck
intimidate you. The cars are fine. The car can be slapped in neutral or you can hold the power button. The brakes WILL also slow the vehicle down if you slam on them.
If you didn't know this it just adds more confirmation that our drivers test is a complete joke and people that do know how to drive and take care of things in emergency situations are surrounded by drivers who know how many cupholders their car has but doesn't know how to stop a car.
-dumb people
-dumb media people
-twisted results
-lawyers looking to make a buck
intimidate you. The cars are fine. The car can be slapped in neutral or you can hold the power button. The brakes WILL also slow the vehicle down if you slam on them.
If you didn't know this it just adds more confirmation that our drivers test is a complete joke and people that do know how to drive and take care of things in emergency situations are surrounded by drivers who know how many cupholders their car has but doesn't know how to stop a car.
03-09-10, 09:29 PM
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Yes I'm speaking from experience having owned multiple Lexus, driven almost every one produced in most driving conditions road/track and having driven dozens of other cars, including many Toyotas.
I have tapped the gas AND brake at the same time and of course the engine surged. It was MY FAULT. I didn't go blaming the car. The one major time was when I cleaned my car and didn't secure the mat and it slipped. I didn't panic like a 3 year old, I simply pulled the mat back and pulled over and secured it.
No car is perfect. We have data showing EVERY BRAND has reports of "unintended acceleration". That leads me to believe
1. It is human error
2. Its a sad fact but CARS ARE NOT PERFECT they are even more COMPLICATED and there will be some that have issues.
3. Its not limited to Toyota.
I agree that (with an automatic transmission), if the car is moving forward if/when the throttle sticks, it's not necessarly a big deal, because getting it into neutral is a quicker, simpler task and the car is easier to steer. But if the throttle sticks in reverse, that can be a much more serious matter. The car is then much harder to control/steer as speed climbs, and, in most cases, a secondary lock-out button on the top or side of the shifter has to be pressed before the shifter will come out of reverse....so it takes a little longer to actually get it in neutral.
) will not put the car in Reverse and put it in Neutral. Don't quote me but I do believe so.Mike, I have experienced in the past the engine accelerating and it was MY FAULT as my foot was on the gas AND the brake. It was 100% my fault as soon as I corrected my feet the problem stopped. I've noticed it happens (still rarely) when I wear Timberland work boots (I think we both have big feet).
03-10-10, 01:56 AM
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Hey guys,
I have a 06 Lexus IS 250 AUTO, I wasn't so scared about the SUA issue because I know I'd shift to Neutral when that happens to me. But after I read the news about this Tuesday's runaway Prius incident, I am not sure any more. Do we really know that we can shift to Neutral even when the engine is in high rev or the car in high speed with the throttle wide open? I know in theory we should be able to, but have anybody tried this? What about on the IS250? I believe after so many cases of the same problem that happened, people would've already known that they should put the car to neutral, but still **** like that happens, so I can't stop wondering if there's some kind of interlock (computer controlled) that prevents you from shifting to neutral when the RPM is high.
When the car goes wrong, all the common sense may not apply, especially if it is electronic related. I know for my IS 250, we can press and hold the start button for 3 seconds and the engine will shut off. But under that circumstance, will it really work? It'd better work coz it's gonna be my last resort if I failed to shift to Neutral, as I know the brake is not gonna work for sure
Thanks,
Willie
I have a 06 Lexus IS 250 AUTO, I wasn't so scared about the SUA issue because I know I'd shift to Neutral when that happens to me. But after I read the news about this Tuesday's runaway Prius incident, I am not sure any more. Do we really know that we can shift to Neutral even when the engine is in high rev or the car in high speed with the throttle wide open? I know in theory we should be able to, but have anybody tried this? What about on the IS250? I believe after so many cases of the same problem that happened, people would've already known that they should put the car to neutral, but still **** like that happens, so I can't stop wondering if there's some kind of interlock (computer controlled) that prevents you from shifting to neutral when the RPM is high.
When the car goes wrong, all the common sense may not apply, especially if it is electronic related. I know for my IS 250, we can press and hold the start button for 3 seconds and the engine will shut off. But under that circumstance, will it really work? It'd better work coz it's gonna be my last resort if I failed to shift to Neutral, as I know the brake is not gonna work for sure
Thanks,
Willie
-Holding the POWER button (START/STOP for gasoline models) for 3 seconds at 70mph, engine power shuts off, vehicle slows down to a coast. Was able to apply brakes (from booster reserve) and maneuver vehicle. CHECK.
-Accelerator floored at WOT going 60 mph, applied brakes simultaneously, vehicle slowed down and gas engine went to idle state. CHECK
-Accelerator floored at WOT going 70 mph, vehicle speed increased, I shifted into neutral, engine power cut down to idle state, vehicle speed decreased until I hit the brakes. CHECK
-Accelerator floored at WOT going 60 mph, I allowed vehicle to speed up to 80 mph, as soon as I applied brake with left foot and still had my right foot planted WOT, vehicle acceleration ceased and I was able to slow vehicle down with the braking power. CHECK
Considering the RX450h has combined 295 hp from a 3.5L V6 and hybrid electric power to the front and rear wheels, I was able to control the vehicle.
I'm a full believer all the "panic" instances including the questionable Prius incident yesterday morning were from people not using common sense, and instead let hysteria and panic take over their good defensive driving judgement.