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Old 04-01-10, 01:48 PM
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U.S. Issues Limits on Greenhouse Gas Emissions From Cars
By JOHN M. BRODER
Published: April 1, 2010

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WASHINGTON — The federal government issued final rules establishing the first greenhouse gas emissions standards for automobiles and light trucks on Thursday, ending a 30-year battle between regulators and automakers.
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Cars in traffic in Oakland, Calif. The U.S. issued new rules that sets emissions and mileage standards for automobiles and light trucks.

The new rules, jointly written by the Transportation Department and the Environmental Protection Agency, set emissions and mileage standards that will translate to a fleet average of 35.5 miles a gallon by 2016, nearly a 40 percent improvement over today’s fuel economy.


Officials said the program would save the owner of an average 2016 car $3,000 in fuel costs over the life of the vehicle and eliminate emissions of nearly a billion tons of climate-altering gases over the lives of the regulated vehicles.

Reaching the new efficiency level will add about $1,000 to the cost of the average new car by 2016, according to industry and government estimates.

It is the first time that limits have been set on vehicle emissions of carbon dioxide and other gases that contribute to global warming.
The E.P.A. is writing greenhouse gas standards for stationary sources like power plants and steel mills, but those will not take effect before next year, agency officials have said.

“This is a significant step toward cleaner air and energy efficiency and an important example of how our economic and environmental priorities go hand-in-hand,” said Lisa P. Jackson, the E.P.A. administrator.

The vehicle emissions program traveled a tortuous path through state regulatory agencies, the courts, Congress and the federal government before culminating in a groundbreaking agreement announced last May by President Obama, auto executives, labor leaders and environmental advocates.

The accord produced a single national standard based on a tough auto emissions law enacted by California in 2004. The automakers have complained of the cost of compliance but welcomed a national plan that did not require them to build different vehicles for different markets to comply with varying state laws.

“This as an example of where the federal government has actually done something right,” said Gloria Bergquist, vice president of the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers. “A year ago we were facing piecemeal policies set out by E.P.A., D.O.T. and groups of different states. Our auto engineers cannot design vehicles to different standards.”

But Ms. Bergquist said the program announced on Thursday would end in 2016 and there was no map for the road beyond. She noted that California regulators were already working on tough new standards for 2017 vehicles and that auto companies needed to know what fuel economy rules they would be required to meet.

The rule sets different mileage and emissions standards for different sizes of vehicles, and major manufacturers will have to meet increasingly stringent standards over the 2012-16 period. Vehicles that run exclusively on electricity, like the new Nissan Leaf and the forthcoming Chevrolet Volt, will be classed as zero-emissions vehicles, although there is a cap on the number of all-electric vehicles that carmakers can claim credit for.

Small-volume automakers like Porsche, Jaguar, Aston Martin and Lamborghini will not have to meet the new standards immediately, but must purchase credits from other carmakers. By 2017, all car companies will have to come into compliance.

The rule estimates the cost of compliance for the industry at $52 billion over the five years of the program, while it calculates benefits at $240 billion. Those benefits include fuel savings, pollution reduction and reduced oil imports.

Representative Edward J. Markey, Democrat of Massachusetts, has pressed for stricter fuel economy standards for years and was a co-author of global warming legislation that passed the House last June.

“After three decades of stagnant fuel economy policy and rising gas prices,” Mr. Markey said, “these new standards finally put America on the path to making our vehicles more fuel-efficient and reducing our dependence on imported oil.”

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The Obama administration set tougher gas mileage standards for new cars and trucks Thursday, spurring the next generation of fuel-sipping gas-electric hybrids, efficient engines and electric cars.

The heads of the Transportation Department and the Environmental Protection Agency signed final rules setting fuel efficiency standards for model years 2012-2016, with a goal of achieving by 2016 the equivalent of 35.5 miles per gallon combined for cars and trucks, an increase of nearly 10 mpg over current standards set by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

The EPA set a tailpipe emissions standard of 250 grams (8.75 ounces) of carbon dioxide per mile for vehicles sold in 2016, equal to what would be emitted by vehicles meeting the mileage standard. The EPA issued its first rules ever on vehicle greenhouse gas emissions following a 2007 Supreme Court decision.

"These historic new standards set ambitious, but achievable, fuel economy requirements for the automotive industry that will also encourage new and emerging technologies," Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said in a statement. "We will be helping American motorists save money at the pump, while putting less pollution in the air."

Each auto company will have a different fuel-efficiency target, based on its mix of vehicles. Automakers that build more small cars will have a higher target than car companies that manufacture a broad range of cars and trucks. The standard could be as low as 34.1 mpg by 2016 because automakers are expected to receive credits for reducing greenhouse gas emissions in other ways, including preventing the leaking of coolant from air conditioners.

"This is a significant step towards cleaner air and energy efficiency, and an important example of how our economic and environmental priorities go hand-in-hand," EPA Administrator Lisa P. Jackson said in a statement.

Dave McCurdy, a former congressman from Oklahoma who leads the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, a trade group representing 11 automakers, said the industry supports a single national standard for future vehicles, saying the program "makes sense for consumers, for government policymakers and for automakers."

LaHood and Jackson said the new requirements will save 1.8 billion barrels of oil over the life of the program. The new standards move up goals set in a 2007 energy law, which required the auto industry to meet a 35 mpg average by 2020.

The rules should add costs to new cars and trucks. The government said the requirements would add an estimated $434 per vehicle in the 2012 model year and $926 per vehicle by 2016 but would save more than $3,000 over the life of the vehicle through better gas mileage.

EPA and the Transportation Department said the requirements would reduce carbon dioxide emissions by about 960 million metric tons over the lifetime of the vehicles regulated, or the equivalent of taking 50 million cars and light trucks off the road in 2030.

Environmental groups have sought curbs on greenhouse gas emissions, blamed for global warming, and challenged the Bush administration for blocking a waiver request from California to pursue more stringent air pollution rules than required by the federal government. The request was granted by the Obama administration last year.

"The standards forthcoming under the 'clean car peace treaty' are a good deal for consumers, for companies, for the country and for the planet," said David Doniger, climate policy director for the Natural Resources Defense Council.

Automakers have been working on an assortment of fuel-efficient technologies, including hybrids, electric cars and technologies that shut off an engine's cylinders when full power isn't needed.

Nissan is releasing its electric car, the Leaf, later this year, while General Motors is introducing the Chevrolet Volt, which can go 40 miles on battery power before an engine kicks in to generate power. Ford is bringing its "EcoBoost" line of direct-injection turbocharged engines, which provide a 20 percent increase in fuel efficiency, to 90 percent of its models by 2013.


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"We knew it was coming. Today, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and the Environmental Protection Agency jointly released new federal Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) fuel mileage and greenhouse gas emissions requirements that will cover the 2012 through 2016 model years. The estimated fleet-wide fuel economy standard has been set at 34.1 miles per gallon by 2016, though improvements in air conditioning systems will bring that number up to around 35 mpg. That equals a standard of roughly 250 grams of carbon dioxide per mile.

The overall fleet fuel mileage requirement will be an average between both passenger cars and light trucks, and NHTSA is predicting that the 2012 numbers will be 33.3 for cars and 25.4 for trucks in 2012, rising to 37.8 for cars and 28.8 for trucks by 2016. As before, credits will be dished out for vehicles that can run on E85 (ethanol), though automakers will need to prove their cars are running on the alcohol fuel by 2015 to continue earning those credits.

Smaller volume automakers that sold fewer that 400,000 cars in 2009 will get a break on the requirements while "specialty automakers" such as BMW and Porsche will reportedly get longer lead-in times. Automakers will also get some sort of incentive for the first 200,000 plug-in hybrids and electric vehicles built by 2016. These standards are said to be equivalent to taking 58 million cars off our nation's roads for a year, representing a savings of 1.8 billion barrels of oil.

Naturally, all of this is going to cost some extra dough. If the Feds are right, automakers will spend $51.5 billion over the next five years putting the standards into effect and the average price of a new car will rise by $985 by 2016. Savings, though, are expected to be even greater, with the average consumer will net an extra $3,000 in their wallets per in fuel savings over the life of the vehicle."

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cars are going to have to get really ****ty in order to make that requirement. I have more incentive to keep older more desireable cars now.

Those figures assume 100% people will have these new 35mpg or electric cars, purely theoretical and completely unrealistic
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Do people not know what "fleet average" means? It means that Acme Motors can sell a
9 MPG car without penalty as long as they're selling a 60 MPG car right next to it.
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Well there goes all the performance cars off the market, guess by 2020 we'll have to have battery cars
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Originally Posted by tromly
Well there goes all the performance cars off the market, guess by 2020 we'll have to have battery cars
Performance cars aren't going anywhere. As a matter of fact, they will continue to get faster. The good news is, they'll be even more economical. See my post above. There's a new race, now, "economical HP"
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Originally Posted by IS350jet
Performance cars aren't going anywhere. As a matter of fact, they will continue to get faster. The good news is, they'll be even more economical. See my post above. There's a new race, now, "economical HP"
I think that it is a very exciting time for cars. Stricter CAFE standards have neccessitated the need for newer engines, new transmissions, technologies such as dual valve timing and direct injection. Yes, cars will cost more, but they will be more exciting to drive and the goal of this is to save money, and not just oil. Sure, you may have to spend a little more upfront, but it makes sense given that people are doing more driving today and less flying.
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Originally Posted by SLegacy99
I think that it is a very exciting time for cars. Stricter CAFE standards have neccessitated the need for newer engines, new transmissions, technologies such as dual valve timing and direct injection. Yes, cars will cost more, but they will be more exciting to drive and the goal of this is to save money, and not just oil. Sure, you may have to spend a little more upfront, but it makes sense given that people are doing more driving today and less flying.
I would agree on this.

And if you think that's bad, guess what's happening in Europe right now (especially with Euro 6 emissions just around the corner). It's much harder/tougher there AFAIK

I'm sure DustinV, spwolf and others from the EU territories can comment and explain about this.

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Originally Posted by IS350jet
Performance cars aren't going anywhere. As a matter of fact, they will continue to get faster. The good news is, they'll be even more economical. See my post above. There's a new race, now, "economical HP"

+1 !!!

just do it smarter and more economical!!
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Damn, I shoulda known Mikey woulda beat me to the punch.

Oh well. What can you do? :P
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Originally Posted by tromly
Well there goes all the performance cars off the market, guess by 2020 we'll have to have battery cars
i beg to differ. look at the GS450h as an example. you get V8 power from a V6/electric motor hybrid. 0-60 in approx 5.2 sec. imho, that's pretty good performance for a hybrid (and better performance figures for hybrids are still yet to come). it's a win-win for all.
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The Tesla roadster is a performance car.

If we move more toward electric powered cars, that just means our cars will acheive their peak torque immediately. For this reason, electric powered go-karts are lots of fun!
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Originally Posted by Stormforge
i beg to differ. look at the GS450h as an example. you get V8 power from a V6/electric motor hybrid. 0-60 in approx 5.2 sec. imho, that's pretty good performance for a hybrid (and better performance figures for hybrids are still yet to come). it's a win-win for all.
And the GSh is only Lexus' first attempt. Technology has changed since it came out and I will venture that it will be even better ten years from now. No, the performance car isn't dead. It is simply changing.
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Seems like these standards were created by politicians who don't know anything about anything, especially engineering. And of course a total ignorance of business and economics.

2016 is already the very next generation of products going into the pipeline now or very soon. It takes years to develop a new car and longer to develop new powertrains, especially with this much advancement. You know how long GM has been working on the Volt (and how many billions it has cost)?

We all know what has to happen. Entire fleets will have to be a mix of hybrids and full electrics with few exceptions thrown in. Maybe some clean diesels too. Reason being is that the standard internal combustion gas engine is approaching it's max efficiency potential. There's not a whole lot of tricks left. So the only way we are going to stay in our large vehicles is through a dramatic shift in powertrain applications.

Does this efficiency standard have its environmental benefits? Sure. But government meddling in private business and deciding for the consumer what's best is just a bit disturbing. If they can do this, what's to say they can't regulate and limit the amount of calories a plate has at restaurants for the health of the customer? Now that would be a "cafe" standard. With government running healthcare, don't think it can't happen. After all, lifestyles and diet will become a budgetary issue.

And this is based primarily on a hoax known as man caused global warming. It starts here, then leads to cap and trade. Total economic destruction based on a weak theory.
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Originally Posted by YARIS!
2016 is already the very next generation of products going into the pipeline now or very soon. It takes years to develop a new car and longer to develop new powertrains, especially with this much advancement. You know how long GM has been working on the Volt (and how many billions it has cost)?
Right, but it's not like this legislation is a surprise. The automakers have known that these standards were coming for years now. They even got it talked down from 40 MPG. And with the vehicles being debuted for the 2011 and 2012 MYs I am confident that 35 MPG can be reached.
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